Biased view of STS...and INFINITY

[Monica]

my existence, along with all the entities existing in this universe, and along with all the entities existing outside this universe but affecting it, and the entities which are wherever they are but affecting those entities that are affecting the entities affecting this universe, are all creating and defining this universe.

I agree. But that's not infinity, because infinity includes all, which means it's already been affected and created, from infinity's perspective. From OUR perspective, we're still affecting and creating.

I said your existence defines the universe AS YOU EXPERIENCE IT... If you don't exist there is no experience for you. If your existence changes then the other entities that are affecting the universe affect your experience in a different way.

Agreed. This is why the concept of predetermined fate has no relevance to us. Whether 'God' already knows what will happen to us, is irrelevant to us, because we still have to live it. From OUR perspective, our choices do indeed matter, and we affect one another. Our perspective of reality changes according to our choices.

Therefore YOU define the rest of the universe.

Very true. But from OUR perspective. Not from the perspective of infinity.

It could be argued that infinity's perspective doesn't matter to us. But for whatever reason, that seems to be the topic of this discussion.

the bird, regardless of my or its perspective, still exists, even in the manner you speak about.

Existence is relative, something exists relative to you.

I'm with Ali on this one. It is purely speculative that the bird might still exist. We don't know that. We are all relative to one another.

Maybe the bird does still exist. We don't know and have no way of knowing.

It could be argued that wildlife exists that we don't know about. But it must be taken into consideration that 3D reality is consensual. The total reality is based on the experiences of all entities on Earth, not just us. We're all creating polar bears and birds and deep sea fish, collectively.

It could be argued that, when we find million-year-old fossils, those animals existed before we knew they existed; therefore their existence was independent of our awareness. However, were they us? Maybe we WERE those prehistoric animals, in our 2D experience. Thus, we were still intimately connected to their existence.

Or, maybe they only manifested in this timeline once there was a reason for them to exist. Has anyone had the experience of creating something then finding evidence that it was there all along? I have.

This is a difficult concept to describe. Has anyone read The Education of Oversoul Seven Trilogy? Book 3 (or was it Book 2? not sure) provides the best illustration of seemingly paradoxical time-bending I've ever read. I highly recommend it!

I don't deny that they are concepts within infinity.. In a way you're denying that.. You're claiming that the infinite cannot create thus creation is not part of the infinite. I claim it can. I claim that the process of creating as seen in our 3d experience is a distortion of the process of creating as it would be seen in 7d or 8d..

Key word here being distortion.
Infinity has no distortion.

Creation is a part of the infinite, sure, but it's a distortion. Thus, when describing creation, we're describing a distortion of the infinite, not infinity.

The statement You're claiming that the infinite cannot create thus creation is not part of the infinite seems to include an assumption. To say that infinite cannot create is not the same thing as saying creation is not part of the infinite.

Infinity cannot create because creating implies a new action. Infinity already includes all action....infinite actions. Hence, the statement infinity cannot create is true while the statement infinity contains creation is also, simultaneously, true. There is no paradox.