Biased view of STS...and INFINITY

[Monica]

Hey Monica. I was expecting you Glad you joined us...

Thanks!

I don't think we're disagreeing as much as we think we are. We're just each speaking from our own perspectives focusing on different things we consider important.

Agreed! Wow, what a wonderful post, Ali! Thanks for the clarification! Beautifully said!

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I'm with Ali on this one. It is purely speculative that the bird might still exist. We don't know that. We are all relative to one another.

Maybe the bird does still exist. We don't know and have no way of knowing.

bird exists ; you are observing and experiencing it. even if you were wired to a simulator, and there wasnt an actual bird, but a conceptual bird that was affecting you or your perception, there would still be existing a bird in the existence you were experiencing.

one may venture forth to resemble all existence to a simulator, then attempt to dub the existence 'illusory' at that point, and some do.

however, the thing they miss here is that, the very presence of bird in the simulator is what we define as 'existing', and as far as the invented existence concept goes, that bird exists. there is no other concept of 'existence' -> this is existence. it doesnt matter whether one calls it 'illusion' or not.

it is not an 'illusion' even from the perspective of infinity. the bird, all the experiences related to it, exist, and are part of that infinity, indispensably. without their existence in infinity, infinity wont be infinite anymore.

Oh wow, thanks for the clarification! I had it backwards in what I thought you were saying. I thought you were saying the actual bird exists whether we perceive it or not.

I particularly like this part:

the very presence of bird in the simulator is what we define as 'existing', and as far as the invented existence concept goes, that bird exists. there is no other concept of 'existence' -> this is existence.