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    Thread: Free Will Denial


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    09-06-2015, 01:06 PM
    (09-06-2015, 11:30 AM)upensmoke Wrote: I think if i understand the thoughts that are effecting you right now correctly. It may come down to the idea of if you see a difference between free will and application of free will. For example i'm sure before the plane was invented people wanted to fly. They had the will to fly but didn't know how to apply that will into one of the infinite ways a achieving flight. It wasn't until the airplane was invented, that people know one of the ways to achieve flight was by the dynamics of an airplane.

    something else you can think about is for example there is a super bad ass roller coaster called life. On this roll coaster their is a puzzle called growth.The ride is one were the roller coaster does not stop until the puzzle is solved this may be absolute. From there it comes down to did you choose to ride this roller coaster ? if you did are you not responsible or accountable to solve the puzzle?

    if you think you are not responsible or accountable to solve the puzzle, i would then think it comes down to whether or not the operator has the ability to stop the ride. If he does stop the ride, does it affect the ride(will) of the other passengers ? are you alone on the ride ?

    I've used the flying as an example of Free Will Manifesting future events and Intuition helping lead Evolution, Humanity desired to fly, some called it impossible, others said, "Where there is a [Free] Will there is a Way." And got to looking for that way, and one day it happened, flight through intelligent design of a vehicle that y/our vehicle could utilize!  Co-creation, the plane being manifested from thought into physical reality.

    The analogy of the amnesiac Bound comes into play for this roller coaster still.  He has forgotten why he is on the roller coaster and wants it to stop now, that is a desire, a choice of his desire.  Why?  Maybe he's motion sick, tired of the hard turns, sore from being thrown about the seat's edges continually.  Whatever it may be, he's accepted it is happening but wants it to stop understanding that free will exists, and see's that it does not stop like he thought it was supposed to in description of how free will operates.  At least according to his distorted understanding of being an autonomous self aware entity supposedly with free will.  Not so much a question of manifestation, but more of why catalyst continues ensuing when one discovers it's existence and intelligently wants it to stop through practice, and in failure of that, in pure belief, and in failure of that, pure prayer and asking endlessly, and in failure of that, anger and frustration, and in failure of that ultimately deduces that he has not Free Will in regards to manifesting a future without catalyst, or creating a situation where catalyst can't ensue temporarily.  No control what so ever, even in surrendering to the catalyst it still continues even when you cooperate desiring it to stop.

    He, as a Human Being, who identifies not so much separate his consciousness, but equal to, is confused why his free will is not just as valid as his consciousnesses free will.  Is it arrogant to equate self's 'free will' or Human Free Will to the Law of Free Will's described Conscious Free Will?

    (09-06-2015, 11:49 AM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote:
    (09-06-2015, 06:24 AM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote:
    (09-06-2015, 05:07 AM)Aion Wrote: I'm gonna be an a******. I think you need to get over yourself. You hate it because you hate yourself and you can't imagine that this reality is representative of yourself. So you seek to hate the reality so you don't have to acknowledge the parts of yourself that you hate. So much easier to project it externally, to hate the world, than to face your own greedy, selfishness.

    Trust me, I know, I'm the most self-serving bastard on the planet.

    Trust me I know, I'm the most brutally honest person.

    To myself.

    I've already admitted I'm a monster in parts Smile

    But my true fear is being a horror as I feel.  Somewhere down there I am, and I'm looking at it (down the rabbit hole) and its bad.

    I'd put it on par with the stuff you and yera speak of being in past lives, only worse.  A universe killer of infinity.  A very deep hate and twisted sadness bleeding from anger i can't quite describe except worse than Malice.

    Be an ass all you want, you're talking to one Wink

    But I also made my choice.  I'd rather Love.

    Don't worry, you're not the worst thing in the Universe.

    By loving these parts of yourself, you can learn to love others who have incarnated the same things.

    When I think of those that plague with darkness, I feel sorrow for they are oceans of unwellness that see not Light. That seek love but find nothing to understand them truly. When given love that understands not, it amplifies darkness and hatred, it deepens their abyss.

    This is true, you sound like you're speaking from experience in my mind.  I do love these parts, why else would I intentionally suffer for them to try and understand them?

    I'm like that girl who dates an ass hole of a guy, who is mean, but she loves him and wants to help, and doesn't know how so is trying to find out regardless of the abuse because she loves him.
    That or there's a major case of Sherlock Syndrome going on in that she feels trapped with that guy.

    Who knows, maybe one day I will Heart

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    Free Will Denial - by The_Tired_Philosopher - 09-05-2015, 11:03 AM
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    RE: Free Will Denial - by Jade - 09-05-2015, 12:34 PM
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    RE: Free Will Denial - by Aion - 09-05-2015, 02:39 PM
    RE: Free Will Denial - by Aion - 09-05-2015, 02:56 PM
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    RE: Free Will Denial - by Kaaron - 09-05-2015, 09:45 PM
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    RE: Free Will Denial - by Kaaron - 09-06-2015, 12:49 AM
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    RE: Free Will Denial - by The_Tired_Philosopher - 09-06-2015, 03:23 AM
    RE: Free Will Denial - by Kaaron - 09-06-2015, 04:12 AM
    RE: Free Will Denial - by Kaaron - 09-06-2015, 04:43 AM
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    RE: Free Will Denial - by The_Tired_Philosopher - 09-06-2015, 06:24 AM
    RE: Free Will Denial - by Minyatur - 09-06-2015, 11:49 AM
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    RE: Free Will Denial - by Kaaron - 09-06-2015, 05:36 AM
    RE: Free Will Denial - by The_Tired_Philosopher - 09-06-2015, 09:47 AM
    RE: Free Will Denial - by upensmoke - 09-06-2015, 11:30 AM
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    RE: Free Will Denial - by upensmoke - 09-08-2015, 02:40 PM
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