Did Entities Eat Meat Before The Veil ?

[Monica]

I've got a really nice leather jacket, I wear it all the time. Not sure if that counts the same as a fur coat but it seems like it would.

Yes, it is the same. The only difference is in how much fur the animal had. The animal was robbed of his/her skin and life just the same: unnecessarily.

I used to think that leather wasn't 'as bad' as fur because fur-bearing animals are killed primarily for their fur; whereas, I thought that leather was just a 'by-product' of the meat/dairy industry. But then I learned more about the economics of the industry and found that all the animal 'products' contribute in pretty much the same way. Leather is a really big money-maker.

I think this whole idea of support and participation just comes across so much like the 'guilty by association' idea during the Cold War. I don't agree with the suggested chain of cause and effect that establishes these ideas of blame.

The 'guilt by association' comes from the fact that industries operate on simple supply and demand. So any purchase adds to the demand; thus increasing the need for supply.

The problem for me is that things are all lumped together. Factory-farming is unnatural and twisted. Yet, then all hunting is classified as though it was factory farming which doesn't make sense to me.

If modern humans needed meat and animal skins for food and clothing, then there would be a difference.

But they don't. The human body doesn't need meat or dairy, and we now have plenty of other materials for clothing and shelter.

Therefore, hunting is unnecessary.

Ergo, it's sport.

So the only difference, really, is that modern factory farms also torture the animal before killing him/her, so in that sense yes, it's worse.

But in the context of whether eating meat/dairy is congruent with the STO path, it's all pretty much the same and varies only in degree.

I also don't believe that animals do anything to be of service,

They offer us an opportunity to feel compassion!!! That is a huge service!

rather there are balances in nature.

I think the whole 'balance in nature' idea is a myth. It views the situation from a numerical 2 only. Numerologically, there is a lot more to the universe than duality. (But I digress.)

Is killing morally, ethically a 'bad thing'? Sure, if your philosophy says so.

Very true. What is 'bad' to an STO entity is right on target for an STS entity.

However, is it polarizing?

All of our choices are polarizing, one way or the other.

I was talking with a friend last night who is a bow Hunter. They buy almost no meat from stores and instead hunt and fish. He only takes what he kills and he only kills what he needs to feed his family. He told me that one day after he had success and while he was starting to clean and process he was attacked by some young individuals who even threw rocks at him even though he was hunting legally, he had only made one kill, and every part of the animal was going to his family for food and other things.

I'm guessing that he is probably ignorant of the fact that he and his family don't need meat. At all.

I also have a lot of first Nations friends who have shared their cultural views that hunting is about respect, about honouring the animal and making use of every part so nothing is wasted.

That was a good way of life for their ancestors, who needed to hunt in order to survive.

We don't.

to the animals who gave of their life

But Aion, they didn't give of their life.

None of them did.

Their lives were TAKEN from them. Stolen. Against their will. Despite their intense struggling.

Stolen.

because I am then acknowledging and accepting the life and death of the animal and acknowledges that I am now a link in the chain of its greater life totality.

You certainly do have that choice, just as any other person who contributes to the demand for killing.

I will accept the responsibility of the killer rather than try to control the catalyst.

Do you mean that you are accepting your part of the responsibility for the killing? Is that what you're saying?

I am learning that sharing doesn't require me to give up my position simply because it is different.

Glad to hear that! But your position isn't different. You are in the majority! It appears that most of B4's members eat animals.

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