Why I am not a vegan

[Diana]

I don't think very many people on this forum disagree that there are major problems with factory farming.  There is suffering there, obviously.  Ideally, an animal should get to roam free, and enjoy the pleasures of living in the physical form it has come to inhabit.  And no, I'm not against eating meat.  There will always be meat eating.  Even if you pass laws to stop all the humans, they will do it in secret.  And no one will ever stop animals from eating each other, because it is a natural part of life.   

Isn't that a rather short-sighted statement that there will always be meat eating? Why? It's perfectly plausible for humanity to evolve to a plant-based diet. As Einstein said, "Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for survival of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." As far as animals and predator/prey, my imagination can grasp the idea that evolution will include all species. Everything evolves; it's not just linear. So the Creator, or the Source, also evolves. It follows that even processes can evolve. Perhaps somewhere someday even animals will be at peace with each other because there is a less cruel way to obtain sustenance. Even the bible says the lion shall lay with the lamb in Revelations.

Choosing to not eat meat from factory farms is not even making an iota of a dent in the problem, of factory farm suffering. Do you honestly think that being a vegetarian makes a significant impact in factory farming?  I assure you, it doesn't.  You know why?  Because most of the world doesn't care.   Their numbers completely overwhelm you! They don't have that open heart you're referring to.  So at the end of the day, the only way it is going to end is if the people doing the killing stop, and isn't realistic from my point of view.  A Lot of vegetarian/vegan folk want to think that eating meat is synonymous with the killing of the animals.  It's not from my perspective.  And not eating the meat is no better than eating the meat.  Not eating it is making their sacrifice truly meaningless, and is wasteful of their vessel.  And also, again, doesn't significantly affect the problem of factory farming suffering (maybe if you got the whole world to do it -- good luck).

Firstly, what does it matter what amount of impact being a vegetarian has on factory farming? Ra was happy to have reached ONE person.

You are seriously deluding yourself that what you do does not have an impact on the world—even the smallest thing. ESPECIALLY for someone who does work in consciousness. In the first place, there seem to be those on this forum who do not understand the basic mechanics of supply and demand. When the demand goes away, so does the supply. And speaking to your assertion that the meat would be wasted so why not eat it—yes, there is the matter of wasting the meat of the poor animals who have suffered to be food for humans. But a conscious society could deal with that. (There is huge waste by the way in grocery stores of all foods.) An enlightened society might matriculate the system by first, freeing the animals from confinement and stop torturing them (I can conjecture more later on how this could practically be done in full, but I want to stick to the point), and use the meat already being processed to feed pets.
 
And I will add, that according to some on this forum who say the animals are here to be of service to us in this way—by suffering in factory farms—even if their bodies aren't consumed why is the service meaningless? Perhaps the service all along was to show us our own cruelty. Why do whales beach themselves? Why do dolphins get caught in nets they can get out of? Why is there a whole culture of alien abductions where the grays torture and use the humans?

I know you don't want metaphysical explanations, but sorry, that's part of the reality.

You have misunderstood me. I said I didn't want new age la-la fluff (unsubstantiated, unsupported, un-thought-out spew). Metaphysics is fine. I wouldn't be here otherwise.

Every being is creating its own reality.  I know it has been said a hundred times before, and seems like the universal cop out, but it's absolutely true IMO.  It doesn't mean that all beings are getting what they want (I very much doubt any being *wants* to suffer), just what they tune to via the consistent nature of their conscious thoughts.  Victimizers will attract victims, and vice versa.  Fear will attract circumstances to fear, even if humans and their factory farms aren't around.  One is attracted into the conditions they focus upon, this is true of all consciousness.  So if a being is attuned to fear, they will attract circumstances to fear.  They can even attract torturous conditions for themselves (again, even if no humans are around).  Fear is a natural vibrational state for many in the animal kingdom, since they are often existing in red ray survival consciousness.

Yes, each entity will journey on its own path.

But that is not the point. The point is, what do YOU choose to do?

So does this mean we shouldn't do anything?  Not necessarily.  You can tune your thoughts to well being, and be a shining beacon of well being for others.  And if eating vegetarian/vegan causes you to feel more in alignment with well being than the alternative, I think that is great.

Here you don't know me at all, but that is understandable because we are both words on a screen to each other.

I tune my thoughts to well-being every day. I don't set out to be a shining beacon, I simply am that in the sense that I am what I am. Being vegetarian is not that simple. It is not just for me. After so many threads and posts I am not sure I have the energy to explain. Suffice it to say that I am "in this world but not of it."

But accept the truth that there will *always* be beings suffering, somewhere, and the there will always be beings enjoying life immensely, somewhere.  It is all part and parcel of the infinite ingredients of our cosmos.  And without that duality, we couldn't experience anything but monochrome.  The creator is not all love and light.  It is darkness too.  And coming to terms with that isn't easy, but at some point you have to ask yourself, do I want to focus my consciousness into where all the misery is, or where all the well being is?    

Of course I want to focus on the well-being. Every single time, since Icaro, Aion, and I came up with the visualization, I mentally create the tree, grass, and a foal for every miserable horse on a piece of desert dirt I pass as I drive. This is a discussion however with presumably evolved and conscious thinking individuals, who presumably WANT to talk about it in some capacity and choose it—I am not forcing anyone. That is why I discuss here. Out in the world it is different. There, I live and let live, though as you say, it isn't easy.

But let me ask you: do you want to focus your consciousness on denial, or in blindness? I go back to my original question: how could you watch the pitiable lives of meat animals and their eventual inhumane slaughter with an open heart and not be utterly saddened? And if you are saddened, why on earth would you choose to add to the machine? Saying you are not a component of that machine if you continue to buy its products is simply denial, however you twist words into justifications.