(10-01-2015, 11:45 AM)Monica Wrote: How can you say that when I just showed evidence that people's choices to eat less meat DO affect others? To the tune of millions of others each year?
I guess you ignored the part of my post where I told you that you aren't creating their reality for them, so they simply suffer in other ways. You don't choose whether they suffer, or not. Their consciousness makes that choice, at varying levels of spiritual awareness.
(10-01-2015, 11:45 AM)Monica Wrote: Your view seems to be very separatist to me. Your view seems to suggest that each of us is separate from the rest of the Universe, each of us alone.
If we didn't affect one another, then what would be the point of serving others? If we are all ONE, then how could we not affect one another?
I clearly said in my post that you can influence, you just don't create their reality for them. But you can only influence those in vibrational proximity to you. If there are no complimentary vibrations, you might as well be trying to help someone in a parallel reality. You'll have about the same impact.
In anycase, if my view comes across as separatist to you, you have misinterpreted me in the extreme. I just don't confuse the reflection, reflector, and reflectee for one another.
(10-01-2015, 12:24 PM)Jade Wrote: Even if action on the physical plane pales to "work in consciousness", the planet desperately needs those with strong 4D compassion energies, even if it brings them to the point of martyrdom. Not to mention, that one can spend a lifetime "working in consciousness" but still never open their heart chakra. I just want to say, I don't disagree that working in consciousness is paramount, I just wholeheartedly disagree with the idea that those who change their behaviors do nothing to change the way the outer world reflects that being back to them, which appears to me to be the argument here against veganism: That one person's actions do not affect change.
The mass consensus reality is an amalgamation of personal realities. You can influence others in vibrational proximity to your reality, because there is overlap, and thus, meaningful communication. But no one controls anyone else. But it's almost like some people are looking at the ingredients of the cosmos, and are saying, "I don't like this ingredient. We need to eradicate it from our reality. This ingredient is bad." I'm just saying, you can't delete the ingredients of the cosmos. You don't have to put that ingredient in your personal dinner, but you can't throw it out of the cosmic pantry, so to speak. That's all I'm saying.
(10-01-2015, 02:03 PM)Diana Wrote: Isn't that a rather short-sighted statement that there will always be meat eating? Why? It's perfectly plausible for humanity to evolve to a plant-based diet. As Einstein said, "Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for survival of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." As far as animals and predator/prey, my imagination can grasp the idea that evolution will include all species. Everything evolves; it's not just linear. So the Creator, or the Source, also evolves. It follows that even processes can evolve. Perhaps somewhere someday even animals will be at peace with each other because there is a less cruel way to obtain sustenance. Even the bible says the lion shall lay with the lamb in Revelations.
It will always exist for one simple basic reason: not everyone wants what you want. And the caterpillar is not wrong for not being a butterfly. All the ingredients of the cosmic pantry have their time and place. And the background of all pleasure, is pain. That is duality, and the pendulum swings both ways till it comes to rest in the middle and duality is no more. Also, I disagree with you that creator evolves. The creator is not evolving towards anything. Evolution is an experience, not a means to an end. Only in that sense does the creator evolve. It is not becoming "better", or "new and improved".
(10-01-2015, 02:03 PM)Diana Wrote: Yes, each entity will journey on its own path.
But that is not the point. The point is, what do YOU choose to do?
I choose to feel happy and at peace, knowing that whatever happens, all is well. I'm not terribly concerned with what happens. Let's say the darkness took hold and this planet harvests 4th density negative (I know, unlikely, but roll with it). What then? Is it the end of the world? Are we doomed to hell for eternity? Will everything be okay in the end?
All is one. The end result is well. Why worry?
(10-01-2015, 02:03 PM)Diana Wrote: Here you don't know me at all, but that is understandable because we are both words on a screen to each other.
I tune my thoughts to well-being every day. I don't set out to be a shining beacon, I simply am that in the sense that I am what I am. Being vegetarian is not that simple. It is not just for me. After so many threads and posts I am not sure I have the energy to explain. Suffice it to say that I am "in this world but not of it."
Sorry if I made it sound like you aren't doing those things. I think everybody is doing great. It is impossible for the creator's intent to not be realized, so everything is proceeding perfectly, even if somebody thinks otherwise. That is to say, we didn't come to fix a broken world. I think that is what I would most like to communicate to people in this thread.
(10-01-2015, 02:03 PM)Diana Wrote: Of course I want to focus on the well-being. Every single time, since Icaro, Aion, and I came up with the visualization, I mentally create the tree, grass, and a foal for every miserable horse on a piece of desert dirt I pass as I drive. This is a discussion however with presumably evolved and conscious thinking individuals, who presumably WANT to talk about it in some capacity and choose it—I am not forcing anyone. That is why I discuss here. Out in the world it is different. There, I live and let live, though as you say, it isn't easy.
But let me ask you: do you want to focus your consciousness on denial, or in blindness? I go back to my original question: how could you watch the pitiable lives of meat animals and their eventual inhumane slaughter with an open heart and not be utterly saddened? And if you are saddened, why on earth would you choose to add to the machine? Saying you are not a component of that machine if you continue to buy its products is simply denial, however you twist words into justifications.
Maybe it will seem horrific to you, and perhaps I will seem disconnected from what you feel is absolute rock hard reality, but I know in my heart of hearts, without a shadow of a doubt, that all is an illusion. A play in consciousness. In the same way that when I watch a dramatic movie I can get myself emotionally frantic, and upset, by identifying with the hurts and pains and dramas of the characters in the movie, or I can choose to remain detached by understanding that they are simply actors playing roles, and the unfolding drama was just an impression, on the mind, deliberately concocted to elicit an emotional reaction. If it still does, there is no wrong in it, it just means you are still using the catalyst.
I'm sure you will probably interpret this to mean my heart is closed, but I don't really see it that way. I prefer to think of it as not confusing the forest for the trees, a state of distilled love, and looking at things from a broader perspective. I'm a character in the movie too, playing a role. I have just stopped forgetting that is precisely what I am doing.
Quote:Ra: The catalyst of experience works in order for the learn/teachings of this density to occur. However, if there is seen in the being a response, even if it is simply observed, the entity is still using the catalyst for learn/teaching. The end result is that the catalyst is no longer needed. Thus this density is no longer needed. This is not indifference or objectivity but a finely tuned compassion and love which sees all things as love. This seeing elicits no response due to catalytic reactions. Thus the entity is now able to become co-Creator of experiential occurrences. This is the truer balance.