Why I am not a vegan

[Monica]

Completely ignored the question.  And just admitted to being completely close minded to any other perspectives because, afterall, "no one can win an argument with a vegan".

Is someone closed-minded for thinking slavery, rape, torture and murder are all wrong?

Sure you do.

You're treading on the brink of hostility. I said I didn't and I didn't.

But I'll break it down for you, anyway.  I said that you don't create animals reality for them.  You bypassed the discussion entirely saying it's been discussed before because you don't want to accept they do infact create their own circumstances.  You've said in the past you believed and subscribed to the "you create your own reality concept".

You are wrong. Either you haven't read all my posts or have forgotten. ALL entities create their own reality, on some level, though it becomes more conscious in the higher densities. Ra spoke of this. 2D entities start out with random catalyst, and it starts to be more conscious as they evolve.

That has nothing to do with the issue as to whether it's appropriate to provide the STS service of negative catalyst to them.

I have stated this numerous times, and even gave the example of a human who obviously DOES create their own catalyst to some degree. Remember my many examples of the human rape victim? I agreed that she is choosing that catalyst; however that does NOT justify us being the one to actually rape her!

So whether the animal chooses his/her reality is irrelevant to the point of whether we should rape/torture/kill them (or pay someone else to do those things so that we can enjoy the taste of his/her flesh).

Why you keep insisting that it's ok to eat meat just because the animal may have 'chosen' that reality makes No sense whatsoever, because that would be like saying it's ok to rape a woman because she chose to be raped.  

Correct.  But if you were no longer a victimizer, the law of attraction would not draw you into situations where you be around victims. The victims would attract a different victimizer.  You would be drawn to different circumstances and events.  Not sure what the significance of your influence is supposed to mean.  I'm guessing you were thinking if you get to the victimizers and convince them not to victimize, it would fix what you perceive to be the problem.  Nope, the victim will just attract another cooperative component to their victimness.  As I've said before, you don't choose whether they suffer or not.  Their consciousness decides that.

That is true, though oversimplified and leaving out the very important component of the holographic universe.

But to keep it simple (since you don't want to start another thread about that), you are still missing the point that meat-eaters ARE victimizers!

So by choosing to continue to eat meat, they continue to attract victims, see? It works both ways.

See, you say that but don't seem to understand that your very attention to the subject is increasing the momentum of it

Not as much as the people eating meat.

You might be surprised.

No, I don't think so. The abolitionists did a good thing in working to end legal slavery. To equate them with the actual slave 'owners' is absurd.

So what is the issue, meat eating, or animal suffering?

Animal suffering of course.

so I'm probably gonna bow out of this lost cause of a discussion.

That would be delightful. Blessings to you!

But it sure is psychologically comfortable when you are firmly convinced you know which monster to chase down with your pitchfork.

My my.

Who said it was about you?  Because I mentioned your name?  Why do you have to make it about you?  That's a better question.  And then, again, deflect the point being discussed?

I was talking about acceptance versus control.  I didn't make it personal, you did.  

LOL!!! Haha whatever.

I won't be responding to you henceforth.

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