Why I am not a vegan

[Diana]

May I ask if you have seen anyone close to you suffer and die?

Many.  Death is a part of life.  So i'm guessing you're wondering if personal attachment makes it harder to see illusion as illusion?

Naturally, of course it does.  I'm not completely disidentified with this world.  But I know death isn't the end, and that with it, you reemerge into pure positive energy, and reenter this world from a new vantage point, karmically determined to some extent.  So I haven't fallen prey to the misapprehension that death is a bad thing.  Nothing really dies.  And those who suffer are healed.  And getting emotionally worked up rarely lends itself to more pristinely rational thought.  And irrational thought is no help to anyone.  

"It is to be kept in the forefront of the faculties of intelligence that there is one creation in which there is no loss."    

I asked because I wondered if you would have wanted to cause the suffering or contribute to the suffering of a loved who suffered and died. The thing is, your words of detachment are easy to write in my opinion from my perspective, but I find it harder to put these things into practice.

I find that you tend to exaggerate. I don't get emotionally worked up generally. And people such as Monica doing the grass roots work helping to stop animal suffering don't generally get worked up either. This is a derogatory and blanket statement applied to those being judged as zealots or extremists, which is ubiquitous/insidious here toward vegan/vegetarian posters. I am logical and detached compared to almost everyone I know. But when someone close dies in a horrible way, for instance, my brother at 29 years old, my heart breaks. No amount of rationalization or beliefs in what happens next can take away the heartbreak. The heart break is for him, and the challenges he had, not for me and now I have to go on without him (though that is there as well). It's just sad. And I am quite aware of karma and all the bigger picture stuff, and that even under the microscope things change and do not disappear. Perhaps it has more to do with empathy, to feel the pain of others. 

So I asked that question to see if there was even a person in your life whose pain—physical, emotional—you were able to feel. And if that was true, I was going to say that I feel that way about everything—trees, animals, insects, people, plants, worms. No matter how much I know that nothing really dies, and I have consciously known this from inner speculation since I was about 5 years old, this does not matter when it comes to suffering. It's not about death, though I think there are many who would say they wouldn't infringe upon the life of another human but apparently it's okay to infringe upon the life of an animal, it is about cruelty and suffering. It is about compassion.

So I was hoping to make a connection in an area where you might feel something in your heart with a loved one. I'm sure you would not want to have consciously caused a loved one pain that contributed to their suffering and death. I don't mean to say that would have been wrong, only that it made you feel compassion. This is what I am talking about when I say I don't understand how anyone here can want to contribute to the suffering of animals, which we know is evident. They suffer under human enslavement to be food for us. They may have chosen it, 3D humans may never stop eating meat, but why would anyone HERE, at B4, in this conversation, and presumably a wanderer from realms where I seriously doubt factory farms exist for obvious reasons, want to be part of that cruel, cruel system?

If none of it matters (because it's all just experience) then why does Ra talk about the positive and negative paths? Don't get me wrong here, I do not follow any dogma, even Ra. But I feel our choices matter, even in the overall idea that we are creating our reality. So what do you want to create, if anything? Some here seem to feel they are just passengers in life and all is perfect. This is a misleading concept in my mind, as it excuses laziness to even participate consciously with clarity. All may be perfect from a certain point of view, but that doesn't mean then that you just indulge away in anything because who cares anyway. I can understand the idea that one can inject love into anything. But WHY would you want to actually consciously create something that now needed that love? It is like a bulimic, who self-indulges then vomits to get rid of it. To say the least it is counterproductive.

For those seeking to evolve consciously I just don't understand the needless adherence to a cruel system for any reason just because it all works out—presumably—in the end.