10-02-2015, 01:00 PM
(10-01-2015, 11:45 AM)Monica Wrote: Is someone closed-minded for thinking slavery, rape, torture and murder are all wrong?
Nope. The closed minded part is when that someone professes to accept a metaphysical precept, and then proceeds to use logic that completely contradicts it.
(10-01-2015, 11:49 PM)anagogy Wrote: You're treading on the brink of hostility. I said I didn't and I didn't.
You can read hostility into my words if you want. I don't feel a strong emotional charge towards you negatively, but I still don't believe that you didn't see a relevance between me bringing up law of attraction concepts and meat eating. In any case, no point in rehashing it since it seems to bother you.
(10-01-2015, 11:49 PM)anagogy Wrote: You are wrong. Either you haven't read all my posts or have forgotten. ALL entities create their own reality, on some level, though it becomes more conscious in the higher densities. Ra spoke of this. 2D entities start out with random catalyst, and it starts to be more conscious as they evolve.
That has nothing to do with the issue as to whether it's appropriate to provide the STS service of negative catalyst to them.
I have stated this numerous times, and even gave the example of a human who obviously DOES create their own catalyst to some degree. Remember my many examples of the human rape victim? I agreed that she is choosing that catalyst; however that does NOT justify us being the one to actually rape her!
So whether the animal chooses his/her reality is irrelevant to the point of whether we should rape/torture/kill them (or pay someone else to do those things so that we can enjoy the taste of his/her flesh).
Why you keep insisting that it's ok to eat meat just because the animal may have 'chosen' that reality makes No sense whatsoever, because that would be like saying it's ok to rape a woman because she chose to be raped.
Your examples are completely warped. A very small segment of the population is doing the actual so called "killing" and "raping". As for the people buying meat, do you honestly think their intent is to "kill" and "rape"? ("Heidy ho, I'll think I'll head over to rape-mart and do me some murdering?" That is bassackwards reasoning. Their intent is to feed their bodily complexes with the nutrition it craves, because clearly, there is some nutritional content it can use there. And it is not even remotely weird for the feeding of our bodily complexes to feel good.
So comparing it to rapists and murderers (whose intent is to actually do those things) due to a peripheral association, is patently absurd, but I see vegans often do this for the shock value. Another attempt to control the uncontrollable.
(10-01-2015, 11:49 PM)anagogy Wrote: That is true, though oversimplified and leaving out the very important component of the holographic universe.
But to keep it simple (since you don't want to start another thread about that), you are still missing the point that meat-eaters ARE victimizers!
So by choosing to continue to eat meat, they continue to attract victims, see? It works both ways.
Again, their intent is not to "attract victims". Their intent is to eat. Is a lion a horrible victimizer because it eats meat? It is attracting its victims. Does it think of them as victims? No, it just wants something to eat. Welcome to the great circle of life. Would you prefer instead of gazelle, it ate tofu?
(10-01-2015, 11:45 AM)Monica Wrote:(10-01-2015, 11:49 PM)anagogy Wrote: so I'm probably gonna bow out of this lost cause of a discussion.
That would be delightful. Blessings to you!
And you accuse me of hostility.

(10-01-2015, 11:45 AM)Monica Wrote: LOL!!! Haha whatever.
I won't be responding to you henceforth.
Please forgive me, if I remain skeptical of this.