10-02-2015, 01:51 PM
(10-02-2015, 11:37 AM)Diana Wrote: So I asked that question to see if there was even a person in your life whose pain—physical, emotional—you were able to feel. And if that was true, I was going to say that I feel that way about everything—trees, animals, insects, people, plants, worms. No matter how much I know that nothing really dies, and I have consciously known this from inner speculation since I was about 5 years old, this does not matter when it comes to suffering. It's not about death, though I think there are many who would say they wouldn't infringe upon the life of another human but apparently it's okay to infringe upon the life of an animal, it is about cruelty and suffering. It is about compassion.
So how do you feel when you consider the fact that this system of potentials, of cruelty and compassion was set up deliberately? Do you resent the creator for making things that way? Why do you think it/we would do that if it is so horrible? Clearly it knew an absolutely unthinkable amount of suffering would occur. Seriously, just take a moment and think about all the horrors that have occurred since the beginning of this octave (and even just on this one tiny planet alone, all the way out in the milky way galaxy...let alone ALL the others in the universe). What do you think about that?
Perhaps, just maybe, it sees things in a different light than you do? And perhaps, just maybe, all those horrors aren't what we think they are?
(10-02-2015, 11:37 AM)Diana Wrote: So I was hoping to make a connection in an area where you might feel something in your heart with a loved one. I'm sure you would not want to have consciously caused a loved one pain that contributed to their suffering and death. I don't mean to say that would have been wrong, only that it made you feel compassion. This is what I am talking about when I say I don't understand how anyone here can want to contribute to the suffering of animals, which we know is evident. They suffer under human enslavement to be food for us. They may have chosen it, 3D humans may never stop eating meat, but why would anyone HERE, at B4, in this conversation, and presumably a wanderer from realms where I seriously doubt factory farms exist for obvious reasons, want to be part of that cruel, cruel system?
I don't presume to be some highly evolved wanderer. In fact, the more time goes on, the more I find people use that as some kind of elitist badge of honor, and I find it somewhat disturbing. As for cruelty and compassion? I look out in nature and I see animals eating animals. Human beings are also animals. Nature is not cruel, it is just indifferent. People read the cruelty into the situation. I'm not saying their isn't some cruelty jammed in there as well, but mostly indifference. No one actually knows what another being is experiencing. Sure you can guess based on what you observe, but I find that people simply find evidence of whatever they sincerely believed.
If you want to find reasons to feel absolutely gut wrenchingly bad, this world has endless reasons and excuses for doing just that. I won't be participating in that, though, because while people who constantly do that claim to radiate well being, and compassion, they are really just resonating with the misery of the world. I look for reasons to feel wonderful, and it does far more good that constantly looking at the suffering of the world, and allowing a crippling gaping pit of despair to form.
(10-02-2015, 11:37 AM)Diana Wrote: If none of it matters (because it's all just experience) then why does Ra talk about the positive and negative paths? Don't get me wrong here, I do not follow any dogma, even Ra. But I feel our choices matter, even in the overall idea that we are creating our reality. So what do you want to create, if anything? Some here seem to feel they are just passengers in life and all is perfect. This is a misleading concept in my mind, as it excuses laziness to even participate consciously with clarity. All may be perfect from a certain point of view, but that doesn't mean then that you just indulge away in anything because who cares anyway. I can understand the idea that one can inject love into anything. But WHY would you want to actually consciously create something that now needed that love? It is like a bulimic, who self-indulges then vomits to get rid of it. To say the least it is counterproductive.
For those seeking to evolve consciously I just don't understand the needless adherence to a cruel system for any reason just because it all works out—presumably—in the end.
I never said I indulge in whatever, or that I don't care about anything. You read that into my words. And nothing we do matters in a cosmic sense, but it DOES matter in a individual sense. And if I come across someone or something to help, I do, as a natural function of who I am. But you can't help everyone. We experience limitations in this reality, and the way I assist may be very different from the way you assist. I don't feel a great calling to overturn the evils of factory farming. It will dissolve in its own time, when people who run factory farms no longer want to. My interests lie elsewhere, and refusing to eat meat (which I like to eat), isn't go to destroy factory farming, anymore than my individual vote is going to win an election.
As for what I create? I'm a beacon of thriving well being, and I share that with everyone in proximity enough to me enough to be able to actually hear it.
Ra talks about positive and negative paths forming due to analysis of desire. Even Ra says repeatedly through the material there is no right or wrong. STS are not wrong, they are just exploring their desires (with the creators blessing I might add). STO are not wrong, they are exploring their desires with the creator's blessing. We are simply the creator knowing itself, and it is all things, so we, as portions of it, will all have different desires and motivations. When I help others, I don't do it because I feel that something is broken with the world, and I feel so gut wrenchingly bad about it, I have to fix it.
I help others because it feels good to me to help others. If that seems selfish to you, then I guess I'm selfish.
I am an evolving being too, Diana. Am I bad because I'm a ugly caterpillar and not yet a beautiful butterfly?