09-16-2010, 04:45 PM
(09-16-2010, 02:23 PM)unity100 Wrote: the particular religions that is being given as example here are all from the same region of the world, ie, middle east, caanan parts, and it is the area that the negative orion entities have been working with, starting with the moses episode. they have since been building on and investing in these. if we consider that all the prominent 4 of the religions from that zone copied each other (their predecessors actually), it would mean that they retain all the investment that has been made into them by the negative group.
quantum Wrote:Raised in the Judeo-Islamic-Christian (hereinafter referred to as JIC) traditions that so many of us have been, and then having found the LOO, and having studied it so thoroughly, and then having struggled to have it fit seamlessly into the confines of the aforementioned JIC, wherein everything has been placed as nicely into its appropriate corners and tucked away as much as possible, do any of you who were raised in either of these traditions also at times stumble on at least one core philosophical principle...
monica Wrote:These quotes from your original post seemed to invite discussion about how those raised in religions might feel challenges reconciling said religions with the Law of OneWith all due respect, you cut the message in half. It continued immediately after that with the point and premise of the entire thread as relates to STS merging into STO 6D. It continued immediately thereafter with the gist of the entire thread:
quantum Wrote:Specifically a case in point: STS vs STO - How do does one raised in said traditions of JIC reconcile that one may at mid 6th density merge into Heaven, so to speak, by in fact having traversed the paths of deprivation, depravity, degradation, and just a whole lot of general degeneration (lots of "D" words)...( basically Hell), and presumably in fact the deeper one descends into hell through these "D" actions the more then is one rewarded and the more expeditious his path to heaven is opened up to him?It seemed the premise and point was well understood enough before it became derailed as seen by the conversation where it then split.
I will with great respect beg out of both discussions and topics on the one intended thread I created for two reasons. The lessor of those reasons is that it has been derailed. That is a rather small point. The greater is that this discussion on religion I feel will be as circular as was the discussion on Infinity, but with far more personal investment into them for all the obvious reasons which are already presenting themselves (see above). All doctrines, teachings, scriptures, books, speeches, movies, documentaries, TV shows, newspaper articles, internet articles, blogs, chat rooms, forums, and even conversations, etc etc etc, have distortion in them. Whats new here? They contain the light and the dark. This seems a rather very elementary and foundational point as explained by Ra. What really is new here? This is not a discovery, nor is it an intellectual investigation when world history alone, as much as the LOO has made it self evident. Whats new here on B4th is whats been very very old everywhere else. I would have no problems in intellectually discussing religion per the LOO, but would caution all to remember we are representatives of it. To even begin to suggest that several great religions of the world, or even one, are negative, or that all religions, or most, or even but one of these for having stemmed out of one side of the world versus another, are more negative for it, is simply...well...I fear to say more. Suffice it to suggest that it may be inferred how limited this view may be seen as. If we can not agree that religion has provided every bit as much light as it has dark, but that instead a single great religion, or several great religions, have provided more darkness than light, then the LOO has been distorted by ourselves. Shame on us. Should any religious individual enter into this conversation, whether newly arriving, or already a member, and read where this conversation is taking us, then this site may be viewed as something less than understanding or loving, and moreover one potentially as judgmental to those great religions that have provided so much to the world (as much as what it has corrupted) and to the many billions of people to whom it has brought enlightenment to within them. Other than religion, I openly ask any that agree with any of these sentiments, i.e. that one, some, most, or many religions are more negative than positive, to name another path other than religion whereby more souls have become enlightened as a result? To attempt to beg out of this question by suggesting there is no way of knowing this would be a weak argument given that an enlightened individual is hardly overlooked by the masses, as even Ra states. It would be obvious.
Surely history has taught us that most were religious.
I am not religious. But if I were I might suggest that we are treading on silly ground with little reward. A newly entering individual whether already a member or simply lurking might either be offended, or if intelligent see this as sophomoric and small minded. Remember that our dialogs are archived for posterity and that we are members representing the LOO. Are these the dialogs for which the LOO and Ra would wish to be remembered for? We speak for the LOO to the world on this site. We proclaim the path of the STO. But I fear these conversations are less than loving STO and as such are unbalanced to what these great religions have provided. What world religions have done to the world has been rehashed by greater minds than may be present here on B4th. But these greater minds too also took a one-sided argument and also made it a distortion for divisiveness. Their arguments also were not balanced and fair minded. Arguments such as these are tantamount to suggesting that because all dogs have teeth and that because some bite that all dogs are bad, when most make phenomenal companions. Its all already been said. Same song, second verse same as the first verse, and all the other verses after that.
I am more looking at the LOO primarily as regards what I write. If it seems hard or harsh I assure you it is not meant to be.I care enough to say it and hope it is accepted in the vein it is meant to be delivered. I close by cautioning, we are being seen. Religion has offered as much ecstasy as it has tragedy. All is in balance. The dark is not stronger in any.....
~ Q ~