Why I am not a vegan

[Minyatur]

The Creator wants to know Itself, your rejection of others is nothing than not wanting to know yourself.

You seem to be confusing rejection of others with declining their service while loving them (as given in the example by Ra).

From what I had understood, you want others to be declining a service. Acceptance while declining is something that can only be done by self. In that view, I am not trying to convince anyone to change any of their ways, I am only expressing the self that I am and nothing more.

None of you here has put any effort in understanding how another could balance within itself love and wisdom in regard to meat eating and still eat meat.

Not true. The effort has been made.

Perhaps it's just not the conclusion you may have liked.

In a seeking of understanding, the response to another would have focus on understanding the hidden cause and effect being what the other-self currently is, knowing that a rejection of it simply unveils a lack of understanding of the deeper mechanisms. Self as such is not seen in other-self when other-self also is self. I do not view separation between self and other-self and as such how one acts in regards to other-self simply is a mirror on the state of it's own soul. Hurting others is a way to hurt self for example.

I do not expect conclusions to be reached as that would require much more unveiling of one's past than it is available to most in this 3D. Perhaps a common understanding will be reached, but surely not in this density. What we do is more akin to planting seeds for further work and creating entanglement.

All I've seen is constant rejection of what is unlike yourself,

Seriously??? You're still saying that? As though we hadn't already covered that numerous times?

Why do you repeat the same obvious twisting and corruption of what has already been clearly expressed? We have made it abundantly clear that we are answering the call of the oppressed and it has nothing to do with 'rejecting those who are different'. So why do you say that?

Then understand that we are all channel unto different things. I repeat this because it is a feeling I got multiple times I guess.

I mainly participated in these discussions because you expressed a desire to understand what was unlike yourself to most times realize it was not so. You do not in any way wish to understand the inner truth of others if it is in conflict with your own.

So now you presume to know the motivation of another person, eh?

Well this is a common mistake in 3D, you do have my apologies.

Yet I have never felt I have infriged upon free will by eating meat. As I said multiple times I eat meat (which is not a 2D entity anymore and has it's own set of experience and desire) and threat it as what it is at the moment. I would not want to create this system nor do I want to reject what already is.

How convenient. You are leaving out the minor little detail that someone had to kill the animal before you could get that meat, and just because you didn't kill the animal yourself, doesn't mean it didn't happen. By buying that meat, the consumer is tangibly, directly supporting the industry that tortures and slaughters billions of sentient beings every year. Billions.

My understanding of your words is that these facts don't bother you.

Why, then, are you still participating in this conversation?

In my view I am not a direct actor in it, the employees that do the killing are and I do believe this is as harsh a catalyst for them as for the animal. So I do find it ultimately sad for all parties involved.

Perhaps I am participating because you believe that the sole purpose of this catalyst is to ultimately be disgusted by it, I do believe otherwise. I do believe that one purpose of this catalyst is to love it in it's happening, whether that is done while eating meat or not. I do believe it was Q'uo that said "You are here to love this world, not change it". I also do believe one of the purpose in wandering is to face a mirror that self rejects and accepts not, to better distill and perceiving the love/light behind it all.

Then all I know is the inner truth I found within myself. Where most of you found despair I found love and light.

Well that's very nice but it's still self-oriented.

Yet you are doing the exact same, as it is the only thing one can do. Ra stated that STO is the conscious the radiating of Love as it is known to the inner-self, as such there would be no point in myself radiating love as it is understood to your inner-self.

In my view you are very delusionned (just as you think I am), you've stated wanting to share your way of thinking with our Logos, which somehow implies It would not be already aware of your every thought and emotion, and that It would even be less aware than you are of the on-going suffering which It probably feels altogether unlike you. Also seems to imply you would be more loving than our Logos, which I find laughable.

Think (and laugh) all you want. I happen to believe that each of us is important, and we came here with a mission to accomplish. We aren't separate from the Logos and our experiences are important.

To say on the one hand "We are all One...we are the Creator...the Creator is experiencing these things through us in order to understand itself better" then turn around and say "Who are you to think you could possibly tell the Logos anything?? The Logos already knows everything!" makes No sense.

Either the Logos (or Creator) already knows everything and doesn't need us, or it is experiencing through us and welcomes our feedback. Pick one. But to say both is a contradiction.

What I meant to say is that your whole experience already is a feed back for the Logos. I never meant to say that your experience is unimportant, just that the Logos already is aware of everything that you feel and think while you are residing within it. Which also is true for any joy or sorrow occurring within it.

For your example I would need to have a desire to rape which then would attract the right person to share the experience. Everything that happens is nothing more than resonance.

You have missed the point of the analogy, which was that saying it's ok to eat meat just because the animals chose it on some level, is akin to saying it's ok to rape someone just because their Higher Self chose it. It doesn't hold up.

Anyway, since you've told us that you do eat meat, then apparently you do have a desire to eat meat, and have attracted the right circumstances to share that experience.

Yet you still continue to miss the obvious point that you can't have meat without participating in or supporting the imposing on the animal's free will wish to survive, and ending that animal's life against his/her will.

That is inescapable, no matter how you slice it. You can try to justify it all you want, but those are inescapable facts.

Well I do believe this earth and it's ways are a good experience ultimately, so yeah I have no problem in supporting it since I have no self-desire for it to be otherwise.

Your rapist analogy resonate very little since I have no desire for rape, nor did I ever let myself think badly of rapists and such. If I were to contemplate a rapist, I'd probably feel sad for the entity rather than feeling repulsed by it like you seem to be.

I also have stated that my ways of eating meat only give a little support to these indrustries

Only a little? How many animals per year is that? and how is it justifiable to kill even 1 sentient being unnecessarily?

We don't have a choice about whether or not to pay taxes, short of going to prison, which would obviously be counterproductive. We DO have a choice about what we eat.

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You surely did not have any choice in incarnating in this place, nor do you have the ability to move elsewhere than where you originally incarnated.

In my view nothing dies, there is transformation. If you had your ways none of these sentient beings would even have been alive and would not have been given any chance to be the entity that they've been.