11-08-2015, 10:24 PM
(11-08-2015, 09:53 PM)Aion Wrote: Hmm, I think I see here now more of where things are. That idea of violation is the key to the argument surrounding free will because it is the idea that free will can somehow be made 'less free' by the actions of another free will. This suggests that free will has a spectrum of sorts, from 'total' free will, to 'minimal' free will. The concept of violation I guess lies somewhere along the spectrum where free will becomes less than total. The difficulty I see now is the fact that it appears to me that many people place that point of violation along different points in the spectrum and so what may appear to be a violation to one may not appear so to another. The challenge then is reconciling a mean with extremes.
Suppose then that what we consider 'normal' free will is like 50/50, not total but not minimal, enough to get around but still being influenced. Creator would be absolute, total free will. What then would no free will be?
Interesting things to ponder.
That sounds like a good topic for its own thread.
In the context of this discussion, we know that directly causing suffering, and then killing a sentient entity who is obviously struggling to escape, is an obvious violation of free will.
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