11-10-2015, 12:06 AM
(11-09-2015, 09:40 PM)Monica Wrote:(11-09-2015, 08:47 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: I thought the big elephant in the room is that many people apparently don't think suffering can be a valuable experience to the Creator and deny it's place in the learning process of this Octave as the Creator of Himself.
The mechanisms of which souls move toward the experience they resonate with and incarnate where they incarnate of their own free will also seems to not matter much. I guess if it hurts you, then it can't be right nor have meaning nor be desired.
Let's see...How many times have I responded to that same point, clarifying yet again that I agree with you that suffering can be a powerful catalyst, and that the entity chooses it on some level? But that the issue is whether it is the task of the STO entity to provide that catalyst? or is that the task of the STS entity? and that the entity getting value from the experience doesn't justify us actually causing the suffering? How many times have I asked if your logic would work with a human?
How many times?
Are you intentionally ignoring my words, in favor of misrepresenting me? Because surely you cannot still be misunderstanding me.
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My logic does apply to humans also, it applies to the Creator which is everything. Humans are not just humans just as animals are not just animals, they are infinity.
Ultimately we all are the OIC, you created this suffering that surrounds you for the sake of of experiencing being among it. You created other-selves that would be unlike you to not understand them, to feel repulsed by their acts and the darkness of their heart, just as what it creates. There is no polarity ultimately, because even the mightiest STO entity will have created every darkness that made it's light shine brighter, just as the most self centered STS entity will be nothing more than an offering of itself to the All that we are. I do not see STO entities are not being fully STS in themselves, just as I do not see STS entities as not being fully STO in themselves. Both are selfishly acting upon their own desires to give the experience of themselves to other-selves.
Your words do resonate love, but they also put much emphasis upon separation. You see a distinction between oppressor and oppressed when both are one, you see the acts of others as being in need of justification when they truly are but an extension of your own acts. I don't expect you to feel within your heart what I am trying to convey, but even based on the Ra material I doubt you see all that I say as wrong and false. Ra has conveyed the truth toward which all evolve through infinite paths, but also shared the song of their heart which is the result of their experiences. It is one of sadness toward the sufferings that are occurring, perhaps one of sadness at knowing that this sadness will be transcended. In the Ra material I see a great duality between what is known and what is felt, but it also portrays that what is felt is unique to each individual and that STO can only emerge from how it is known to the inner self. My experience has led me to know that there is love in sorrow, that it is a beautiful experience that will be loved by those who have experienced it when it has been fully distilled. That is the truth that is known to my inner self based upon my path of experiences. This inner truth that I have found and distilled through my own fate is something I know to be true for all because I know the result of my struggle to be the same result I will arrive at through others, just as one day I believe you will find your own despair that you currently have as beautiful and passionate but will never cease to change from how you currently are. There is one direction to go, one endpoint for all to reach and that is to completely let go of this reality and to let it happen as it will, that being fully loving it unconditionally.
I am not sure if I truly misunderstand you, perhaps I am only focusing on the aspects I deem of interest to discuss further. I think nothing ill of you nor do I believe you are wrong in the expression of yourself, I simply am sharing what your words make me want to share.