Why I am not a vegan

[anagogy]

As we've stated previously, their intentions are different, but from the animals' perspective, it is exactly the same as a human rape/murder victim.

We speak from that perspective, because that is the one usually left out.

How do you know what its perspective is?  For all you know it's perfectly content to withdraw into nonphysical and reincarnate in a frisky new body.  That's what some channelers have said.  An animal is devoid of social conditioning (for the most part).  I'd wager is has quite a different perspective than a yellow ray social human.  Appearances are often deceiving.

Scientific research shows that the human body doesn't need meat, or even dairy. Biologically, there is absolutely No need for it, at all, though some people obviously think they need it.

Then why the need to supplement B12, which specifically comes from meat?

So you should have said, "The human body doesn't need meat, as long as you supplement the health promoting stuff that you would normally get from meat."  And doesn't all b12 only come from animal products?

Here are some conditions that have been linked to or exacerbated from lack of b12:

Alzheimer’s, dementia, cognitive decline and memory loss
Multiple sclerosis (MS) and other neurological disorders
Mental illness (depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, psychosis)
Cardiovascular disease
Learning or developmental disorders in kids
Autism spectrum disorder
Autoimmune disease and immune dysregulation
Cancer
Male and female infertility

And you say the science says we don't need animal products?  Because I'm pretty sure science says the exact opposite of that.  B12 analogs, like those in spirulina have never been proven to be effective in the human body.

Yes. Relevance?

 
The relevance was that just because conditions seem miserable to you, doesn't mean they are actually miserable to the occupants.  A percentage could be miserable, and a percentage could be quite content.  Those who want less, need less to be happy.  Again, appearances can be deceiving.

That is how it happens in the wild, where predators offer swift death to the old and injured. But farm animals are raised specifically for meat and dairy. It's a completely artificial construct.

First off, many predators often play with their food.  I've seen cats "torture" mice for hours before they kill them.  And seen other predators torture/play with the young of other creatures for long periods of time before finally finishing them off.  

Humans have been using livestock almost since their inception.  If that is their ordinary behavior, then that behavior is quite natural.  You're drawing an arbitrary line in the sand between what you believe is natural and what you believe is artificial.

The same reason all the other meat-eaters here at B4 do it: Societal conditioning, speciesism, denial, and self-interest. Many otherwise good and spiritual people thought human slavery was ok, because it was socially acceptable. It is the same with meat-eating today. Those spiritual people might be very evolved in many ways and may have offered wonderful contributions, but they still had the same blind spot. I don't put any human guru on a pedestal.

There are many other great spiritual teachers throughout history that saw the truth of meat-eating.

I'm sorry, but this just doesn't cut it for me.  I don't put anyone on a pedestal either, but I have yet to see one well known channeler who has ever received the "it is more spiritual to not eat meat" edict from their spiritual guides.  You would think it would be a pretty easy message for their guides to convey at some point, especially considering all the other issues people are advised on.

You say 'VERY different' ...please tell us how animals are different from humans.

They aren't yellow ray activated.  Not self aware to any significant extent (some are more so obviously, but usually not those used for consumption).  No social conditioning.  Less of a veil than humans.  They don't even think the same way.  They don't dread the future, and regret the past, they live in the moment.  Not ego driven.

Of course, there are exceptions.  A pet will begin to take on more and more 3rd density characteristics.  Afterall, that's the whole point of incarnating in a body that will play that role with a human.

No, most people are just ignorant. But that is rapidly changing. Once people are aware, and they still insist on satisfying their taste at the expense of sentient beings, then I can only assume at that point that they don't care.

So why do you personally think these animals incarnate in these bodies that will inevitably be slaughtered and used for food?  I recall Ra saying that the orange ray body may live without the inhabitation of the mind and spirit complexes, so why isn't that the case do you think?  Or is that the case with many animals?