(11-10-2015, 02:12 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I disagree for a myriad of reasons. One being Maldek choosing imprisonment in 2D bodies with their post 3D harvestable consciousness. Do you think it's a chakra thing - like animals don't have the higher chakras in potentiation? How come when Ra says that when one activates each new level of awareness, it is a "springboard" to the next? Do you think animals just "stall out" at the threshhold between 2D and 3D until they incarnate in human form? Why would entities like Gandalf choose to come back into bodies where they can effectively learn no lessons? Is that really possible?
I think there is a tipping point in the orientation of the energy and it is leaning more towards one ray than the other, and that constitutes harvestability. And I don't understand your question about the cat Gandalf. The cat incarnates until it has tipped to the point of being individuated enough that it doesn't return to the group consciousness after death, and then reincarnates in a 3rd density body with a brain complex enough for yellow ray work to be done.
(11-10-2015, 02:12 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: What makes a dolphin animal body so much closer to a human's but different than a fish? What makes a elephant so much different than a rat? These are arguably "advanced consciousness" species that coexist on our earth with us... evolving in consciousness and awareness even in animal form.
I don't think any of those creatures you mention are 3rd density. That is my opinion. I think that certain animals have brains that are calibrated to different tasks, some involving different degrees of complexity. And I think they are highly aware in 2nd density ways. Scientists think they are measuring self awareness with experiments involving mirrors and what not, but honestly, I thing they are just viewing more and more complex behaviors. The type of self awareness Ra was talking about in my opinion is of the ego variety. Certainly many animals have self referential behavioral thoughts (in the context of instinctual needs of its bodily complex). But in my opinion, that is much different than what humans have.
(11-10-2015, 02:12 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: Ra says that some physical 1D earth structures (implying mountains) can reach 3d awareness and radiate love, how is that possible?
I think that is an extremely rare condition. And its awareness is largely situated nonphysically (there are no such restrictions on awareness in the nonphysical), since it doesn't have a brain to incarnate into. And I also don't believe it would be able to accomplish any real 3rd density work unless it incarnated in a proper 3rd density life form. Also, Ra barely went into jack detail on those conditions so it's hard to speculate.
(11-10-2015, 02:12 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I'm not sure the snake analogy is the best. Firstly, there are plenty of humans who have zero interest in rearing their offspring. Secondly, factory farms are producing cows, pigs, and chickens, all which are attached to and rear their young. Have you ever seen an animal mourn losing its young? It's visceral, and it happens even in the wild. Some mothers will stress themselves and starve themselves to death after losing a child. Maternal instincts are hardly a trait that only humans experience.
You again imply the folly of anthropomorphization but that is distinctly how we serve our 2D bretheren. Why can't we compare the two?
Ever seen an animal like a chicken stay in touch with its family its whole life? The offspring reach a certain age and then it suddenly treats them like strangers. It's not human like at all. Same goes for the rest of them except in rare circumstances. They are instinctively programmed to all of the behavior. But 2nd density isn't "thinking" about any of it, it isn't "considering" any of it, its just doing it, because it has a biological instinctual programming.
What you call mourning, I call instinctual attachment. They have a biological imperative to preserve their genes. Nobody actually knows its mental state. People see behavior and then decide its this or that. But nobody is getting inside these animals heads and riding around. So quoting a bunch scientific studies that have come to some given conclusion is no better. It's all from the outside in. Science was never designed to study internal consciousness states. It is beyond its scope, but plenty of people don't want to believe that.
(11-10-2015, 02:12 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I agree and disagree. There is the famous Q'uo quote that says "You didn't come here to fix it, you came here to love it" - but that's precisely because you -can't- fix it if you -don't- love it. So first, you must love it, and then your acceptance and love will allow more acceptance and love to replace the old energies. And no, I am not resonating with misery, I am recognizing its existence and resonating with a different reality, so I am doing my best to assist in the transition.
If people were actually resonating with well being, they would talk more about well being than they would the disharmony. They would see that all is well.