Questions regarding the LOO, STS and Religions

[Ali Quadir]

ali's post is more wishful thinking, beautification than actual reality. equating christ consciousness, 4d love with christianity doesnt make christianity that thing.

Neither does "negatification" alter reality. I have a positive distortion you have a more negative one. I never equated christ consciousness with christianity. I said it was about achieving christ consciousness. Getting the bus ticket isn't the same as arriving at your destination, it's unfortunately not even a guarantee.

I admit to your reality, there are groups that totally fit your description in all religions including Christianity. They may even be the majority. But my point of view is also true. There are spiritually advanced groups of Christians. And there are Christians who achieve christ consciousness in ways similar to the ways everyone else is doing it.

in numerous places in Ra text, it is noted that repetition of various predetermined actions do not bring enlightenment or benefit. 'i drink christ's blood' or similar such predetermined traditional moves will not help any entity go forth in their path.

It actually does... And what's more, the mere presence of a master can bring enlightenment. He does not even need to do anything. We're not as isolated as we think. We are essentially a tribe, Christ consciousness is inter personal.

Churches and sermons especially the catholic ones. Are completely shaped and defined by their effects on consciousness. The whole ritual is shaped around getting people into meditative states. It won't affect every one, there is a brain center which I mentioned before in another tread (left temporal lobe) that causes people to "fall" into meditation at different speeds. But most experience some pull.

This does not mean every church can invoke this effect, I told you many flames have died under the restrictive doctrine but that christian churches exist that provoke this effect is beyond doubt. I have seen it happen.

Look at this, yes people sink into meditation from this mixture.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQZgOLSiVjY

This is up to par with any other religion I know.

Let me sum it up for you.
Gregorian hymns.
Incense.
Prayer.
The presence of people in a meditative state.
Ritual.

Sacred geometric connections in the entire architecture ritual and mantras, sorry chants. If you Americans ever get the chance to visit a church that is over 400 years old. Go in there, sit on a bench close your eyes, feel. It can be more powerful than the most powerful nature nodes I've experienced. Then again, of course, they're usually built on them!

It also helps to study the occult influences on the church and of the church. Those that influenced the ritual, and where the churches ritual was taken into other traditions. Wicca, the self professed nature religion for example was actually designed by members of a masonic group. Who copy much of their esoteric basis from the occultists of the middle ages who in turn are basically christian. And this church copied traditions from pagans they assimilated and of course the greeks and romans. We tend to see big differences because they're obvious, but the similarities are much more subtle. Point being that they've got the proven technology and knowledge to invoke meditative states.

Not only did the buddha after he awoke in Siddhārtha Gautama began teaching people and to give sermons. He continued to do this in many incarnations. Buddha is not a person. Buddha is a state of being, just like Christ. Just like 4th density. Jesus is not christ. Jesus became christ in the desert.

I understand. This is a key tenet of most New Age-based interpretations of these avatars. What do you think this means in Law of One terms?

4d consciousness is interpersonal, when two different people connect to that consciousness they begin to share qualities and synchronize. To the point where one entity can be convinced he is the reincarnation of another entity. In truth they are the same experiential reality manifesting at two different times in two individual mind body complexes.

When you let go of the ego structure and identify with your own IAM presence, then when other people identify with their IAM presence, they are essentially one with you.

It's not as binary as I put it, you can distinguish between the personal, the soul group, the family, the tribe, the nation and the human. So you would resonate with your soul group more than with your national or religious group.

We are from this point of view essentially already a multitude of beings resonating together to create one individual.

I'm not sure how that goes in Law of One terms.

For an entity to be Christ or Buddha, does that mean s/he is an adept? Has all chakras open? Or has just penetrated the veil and is dwelling in 4D...or...what?

To become a buddha you need to rise above your ego, enter the clear lands. This is where the personal addictions lose their grip. And it is by Buddhists often achieved by thousands of repetitions of certain prayers and ritual motions. This is how they stop fear and desire there are other ways, this is theirs. There is another level to achieve where you rise above your individuality, at which point you not only dwell in 4d, you are present in all other individuals.

This is an almost literal translation of what buddhists do. Offcourse extremely simplified.

In practical terms, the previous karmapa was known during festivities to sometimes call people over and tell them their friends have been delayed due to a flat tire but are fine and will arrive 30 minutes later.

He's identified with the group soul of the group he is in and thus has access to the experiences of all members. Vice versa all members are influenced by his conscious presence in their group soul.

This isn't restricted to Buddhism either. Although it's one of the few remaining religions where displays of this magnitude are common.

My imaginary friend functions through the same mechanism. He is what you could call a holy man in my society.

He went to teach shortly after that. Jesus knew his death was required to get the message out. He was a 4d entity. He was actually killed not for being Jesus an innocent lamb, obviously not. He was dragging people away from the traditional religion. Which he clearly did not kill.

Was he dragging them from the religious customs of the day, or from reliance on rigid dogma?

I think it's the latter. Which is why I think it's tragic that followers ended up perpetuating more dogma.

The latter I would say aswell. He stated quite clearly, not an ounce of the law will be revoked. All Gods laws apply in full. But I pay the debt. He freed people from sin, without any eternal laws being revoked. An energetic shortcut. People however still don't believe they're free.

This is a symbol of course, the Buddhists call the same principle the wheel of karma. What it means is that a certain situation keeps playing itself out until we realize we have control over it. To a Christian I would say: he paid the debt but it's up to us to put down the burden.

Judaism is alive and well today in many many different forms. Including my personal favourites the Rastafarians.

Wow, I am feeling very sheepish to admit this, but I didn't know Rastafarianism was a form of Judaism! :-/

When the jews escaped from egypt into the desert and later returned to Israel some jews refused to go back to the promised land. They went south and ended up in Ethiopia to try a new life. A few of them settled and Ethiopians liked their point of view and converted. From there they were kidnapped by the European tribes and as slaves brought to other places. In Jamaica the movement to return to africa was strong and after the slavery was lifted around the 1930's they started the rastafarian movement. Which was based on Haile Selassie, an Ethiopian king.

Haile Selassie's full title was (and I cite the wikipedia, no one remembers this ) "His Imperial Majesty Haile Selassie I, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah, and Elect of God"

They're an extremely young and unique version of Jews it's really easy to miss that they are but their spiritual lineage is real.

I see religion as being very complex and containing all the attributes described by you, me, unity100, and everyone else who has participated in this thread. It all depends on which aspect you choose to focus on, for the sake of conversation.

That's good There are many many facets to religion indeed.

I see it as a lineage of consciousness.

Hmmm...interesting. Do you mean as in, 1 person passing on, or awakening, consciousness in another?

That's the same thing isn't it? This consciousness is singular. If I had it and were to awaken christ consciousness in you you'd have my Christ consciousness. If you arrived to 4d on your own, you'd find the exact same consciousness. There is only one IAM.

An initiation is not a miraculous lighting of a candle! At worst it should not hinder our personal growth to awakening at best it might help a little. It remains a gradual process. There are mostly no miracles.

I have as well. I've also had spiritual experiences, and witnessed spiritual experiences, outside religion, and even as a result of leaving organized religion behind. It can work either way.

Exactly, we simply need to find a sweet spot that we feel comfortable in.

I do agree that a religion can have a group consciousness aspect (if I'm understanding you correctly). I've long thought that those of a certain religion share a group consciousness. This is based on many observations of otherwise unexplainable phenomena.

Like the healings and other miracles, yes, you know what I'm talking about.

Well, if mainstream Christianity has lost its heritage, it's because its religious leaders chose to eliminate it in favor of promoting superficial teachings.

Are you certain?

If religion were allowed to run rampant achieving 4d consciousness would be a no brainer. If you pollute it however you can actually use it as a tool to keep people away from 4d consciousness.

But a religious leader who is true won't choose superficial teachings. He is too aware for that. He won't allow his lineage to be corrupted. These people often would die for their heritage in a heart beat. I think it needed both corruption from the outside and a dulling down on the inside. To get weaker and weaker guardians of the flame in place. In a gradual process that was completed when the flame went out.

The older religions like Catholicism still have that heritage, to some degree. But I was brought up Catholic and no one ever taught me the mystical teachings of the rituals I participated in twice a week. (And I even attended Catholic school for 6 years!) So although it's there, the 'heritage' didn't do me any good!

Same here I never learned either. And most people there don't know they simply execute the recipes. But have you never as a child experienced a mystical experience in church? The fact that no one knows doesn't mean it isn't there. Those servicing sermons are actually trained intensively to do things right.

A popular current trend focuses on nothing more than mere belief. Even acts of love and compassion have been downplayed in favor of just proselytizing to others, to get their ticket. Nothing more than mere belief is needed. Anyone believing differently is deemed 'satanic.' This particular flavor of Christianity, in my opinion, is so highly distorted that I've wondered what their ratio of STS graduates is!

Eh, current trend? Sure, the middle ages are current affairs in galactic terms but!

I do see a lot of the heritage you describe in Catholicism. I have memories of reverence mixed in with the fear of hell, from my childhood.

Me too.. Fortunately my imaginary friend explained to me early on that hell was the or else evil people had added there, it doesn't exist. I never took it seriously, the fear of hurting the people around me was my cage.

Yes, I've been to some of those cathedrals! They do contain mystic symbolism and even energy vortexes. I had a spontaneous initiatory experience when I walk the path of the ruins at Glastonbury Abbey. This experience was every bit as powerful as the one I had atop Glastonbury Tor, or amongst the standing stones at Callanish, both decidedly Pagan 'sacred sites.'

These sites are certainly not restricted to Christians. Christian is just a flavor they come in. Glastonbury is powerful indeed I haven't been there unfortunately but a few of my friends tell the same story you do. I can imagine you having those experiences there. You resonate with paganism.

The papal line is a line of initiation, just like the pharaoic tradition every next pope was given the "papal-consciousness" whatever they call it by the previous one..

Ali, I've been enjoying your thoughts...but I may have to part ways here. I agree that the position of pope is a succession but I'm not so sure it's an initiation, or at least not of the STO variety. The pope is the leader of a vast empire, just as any political leader.

The rituals are public you know, you can check it out... But before you really part ways, remember that I also said that that flame died out long ago? They go through the steps but I don't think they actually pass anything on these days apart from the hat and the political agenda. We're not really disagreeing.

This week the pope attacked the British atheists. I loved that.. Talk about fertilizing your enemies crops.

It may sound terrible that the Law of One may one day become a religion. But be honest, it is as important to you as a religion could be. It is to me. The Law of One taught me extremely much. I would not be at the level I am today without it.

I consider the Law of One my spiritual path, to be sure. I personally prefer to distinguish it from religion. (But that gets into our preferred semantics again.)

And thats the thing! Imagine a true Christian, would he not call Christianity his spiritual path? The distinction you make for yourself implies a discernment made upon Christians. One that is true for many, but not for all... Since in my semantics I see religion as this grabbing motion towards the divine. I see the similarities. But other people than you see your semantics. And calling the Law of One a religion will only subject it to those interpretations. That'd be undesirable. I'm just pointing out similarities.

Just as many polarize STO via the vehicle of religion, so too do others polarize STS via the vehicle of religion. Religion is an equal-opportunity polarizer.

Lol I am not sure if that sounds good or bad.

I know exactly what you are referring to! I have met people exactly like that! A former co-worker comes to mind. She was a Charismatic Christian. She used to pray with me in the bathroom during our work breaks. She absolutely glowed with joy, love and compassion! And when she laid hands on me in prayer, it was every bit as powerful as the Kriya Yoga Master who gave me Shaktipat.

Conversely, I also had the experience of a mega-church pastor (whom I now have reason to think is corrupt) who laid hands on me. But it felt totally different from my Light-filled friend. This man tried to force the energy to me.

Uhhuh, I've seen those on TV.. I get energetically very upset about that. Those people are STS. Those rituals are pure STS in design. The amount of ego going through those guys.

The difference is clear... do you have before you a humble person or a dictator? If it's a humble person give all you can, if it's a dictator, play games with them. Have fun, confusion is good for them, it causes doubt and depolarizes. Be their Loki!

Thank you for your heartfelt post, Ali! I could really feel your passion flowing! I do see the beauty in religion. It's there along with the corruption. It's all there. But your post did a magnificent job of conveying the beauty and what your own perception of religion means to you. Thanks for sharing!

Thank you Monica. It's been a very consistent theme in my life. Religion, my belief in God is in the end a semantic distortion. Just as anything is. But it helps bring reality into focus for me.

There's a big difference between the core mission of religion and the current institution. The institutions have almost always lost track of the core mission. The core mission is assisting people to become a divine creature. I support the mission and the groups that keep this mission alive, but not the institutions. This is the time of their undoing. Scandal after scandal undermines their authority.

In Holland we had a gay prince Carnival. Carnival is started in church, the bishop refused to allow the man in his church. But other churches under that bishop then invited him in defiance! It was an emperors clothes moment.

It's not a singular organism, nothing is, not even us. The hierarchy is losing grip to synchronistic behavior. As above so below, or in this case as below so above!