Questions regarding the LOO, STS and Religions

[Monica]

Wonderful post, Ali!

I have a positive distortion you have a more negative one.

I think you're both right.

I admit to your reality, there are groups that totally fit your description in all religions including Christianity. They may even be the majority. But my point of view is also true.

Is there an echo in here?

in numerous places in Ra text, it is noted that repetition of various predetermined actions do not bring enlightenment or benefit. 'i drink christ's blood' or similar such predetermined traditional moves will not help any entity go forth in their path.

It actually does... And what's more, the mere presence of a master can bring enlightenment. He does not even need to do anything. We're not as isolated as we think. We are essentially a tribe, Christ consciousness is inter personal.

Unity, I think I remember the quotes you're referring to, but if you happen to have them handy, that would be helpful!

Ali, I think there is truth to what you say, but it isn't quite that simple. Many people have been in the presence of masters and remained unaffected. I think the person has to be ready to receive the enlightenment. The master cannot cause the enlightenment; only facilitate it if the aspirant is ready.

Churches and sermons especially the catholic ones. Are completely shaped and defined by their effects on consciousness. The whole ritual is shaped around getting people into meditative states. It won't affect every one, there is a brain center which I mentioned before in another tread (left temporal lobe) that causes people to "fall" into meditation at different speeds. But most experience some pull.

This does not mean every church can invoke this effect, I told you many flames have died under the restrictive doctrine but that christian churches exist that provoke this effect is beyond doubt. I have seen it happen.

In 18 years of attending Catholic Mass 1-3 times per week, I never had that happen. Not saying it doesn't happen for some...but it didn't for me. The opposite happened in my case. Ever since I was a very little child, I got sick in church. I would either faint or throw up. I'd go outside and be fine. So I wasn't really sick; just got sick in church! Even if the windows were open. My husband says it must be because they burned me at the stake in a past life, haha.

Sacred geometric connections in the entire architecture ritual and mantras, sorry chants. If you Americans ever get the chance to visit a church that is over 400 years old. Go in there, sit on a bench close your eyes, feel. It can be more powerful than the most powerful nature nodes I've experienced. Then again, of course, they're usually built on them!

I read a book about how the Christian churches are built on ley lines and Pagan power sites. When I went to England & Scotland, I saw that it was true.

It's true that there is a lot of power permeating the actual structures. It's also true that there's a lot of pain due to all the bloodshed. I felt an odd mixture of both when I visited the cathedrals in Britain. But the same could be said of the Pagan sites like Stonehenge.

It also helps to study the occult influences on the church and of the church. Those that influenced the ritual, and where the churches ritual was taken into other traditions. Wicca, the self professed nature religion for example was actually designed by members of a masonic group. Who copy much of their esoteric basis from the occultists of the middle ages who in turn are basically christian. And this church copied traditions from pagans they assimilated and of course the greeks and romans. We tend to see big differences because they're obvious, but the similarities are much more subtle. Point being that they've got the proven technology and knowledge to invoke meditative states.

True but it's a double-edged sword. A lot of that ritual was used to control people.

When you let go of the ego structure and identify with your own IAM presence, then when other people identify with their IAM presence, they are essentially one with you.

OK let's make a point to test this out when we all get there!

My imaginary friend functions through the same mechanism. He is what you could call a holy man in my society.

Imaginary friend? sorry, did I miss a previous reference?

This is a symbol of course,

Whew! You had me worried there for a second!

the Buddhists call the same principle the wheel of karma. What it means is that a certain situation keeps playing itself out until we realize we have control over it. To a Christian I would say: he paid the debt but it's up to us to put down the burden.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this. I understand you are putting concepts into terms they can fit into their paradigm. I sometimes do that, but more often than not, I feel more honest and clear if I am upfront with them in saying that I really don't subscribe to the whole 'Jesus paid for sins' concept. I consider that one of the grossest distortions in Christianity.

They're an extremely young and unique version of Jews it's really easy to miss that they are but their spiritual lineage is real.

So when did the sacred weed become one of their sacraments?

An initiation is not a miraculous lighting of a candle! At worst it should not hinder our personal growth to awakening at best it might help a little. It remains a gradual process. There are mostly no miracles.

Ah, then we are in agreement. I said as much above.

Exactly, we simply need to find a sweet spot that we feel comfortable in.

Agreed. And my spot might not be the same as your spot...

I do agree that a religion can have a group consciousness aspect (if I'm understanding you correctly). I've long thought that those of a certain religion share a group consciousness. This is based on many observations of otherwise unexplainable phenomena.

Like the healings and other miracles, yes, you know what I'm talking about.

Both positive and negative attributes. Healings, most definitely. I have witnessed these. I have also witnessed church members attempting to 'deliver' ie. exorcise demons from people, and this was horrible to watch. That's when I left the born-again church, after seeing a young couple get attacked for living together. But actually, I was referring to tangible things like mannerisms of speech, speaking in tongues, etc. I've noticed those of a certain belief often talk alike, even if they're geographically across the country. I've long suspected it was a group consciousness they were all tapping into. Which would explain why the pastor thought I was 'resisting' when he laid hands on me. I actually welcomed healing at the time, but I channeled the energy rather than submit to it. It was actually kinda funny - about 20 people in a row fainted when he touched them, and then he got to me and I remained standing. It was just a rush of energy, after all! But he became very confounded and annoyed with me. heh.

Well, if mainstream Christianity has lost its heritage, it's because its religious leaders chose to eliminate it in favor of promoting superficial teachings.

Are you certain?

I am referring to the popular flavor of Christianity that focuses on being 'saved' at the exclusion of all else. I consider that very self-serving and elitist.

If religion were allowed to run rampant achieving 4d consciousness would be a no brainer. If you pollute it however you can actually use it as a tool to keep people away from 4d consciousness.

Oooh, that's a loaded statement which I think could use a qualifier. Might I suggest: If positive aspects of religion were allowed to... ?

Thank you for the 2nd statement, which clarifies. Polluted versions of religions have already been allowed to run rampant. As the bumpersticker says, they called it the Dark Ages.

But have you never as a child experienced a mystical experience in church?

Not in Catholic church. I mostly found it creepy, sorry. I did however have mystical experiences when I was a born-again Christian. And of course also when I left Christianity altogether. But not as a Catholic.

The fact that no one knows doesn't mean it isn't there. Those servicing sermons are actually trained intensively to do things right.

I did get a basic foundation of values from my Catholic upbringing, for which I am grateful and which I retained, for the most part. But I confess I usually daydreamed during the sermons, regardless of which priest was preaching.

Eh, current trend? Sure, the middle ages are current affairs in galactic terms but!

Maybe you don't have it in your country. It's quite prevalent in many cities in the US. Do a search on any 'New Age' term + 'satanic' and see how many hits you get. Modern witch hunts!

I can imagine you having those experiences there. You resonate with paganism.

Haha, can you tell?

The rituals are public you know, you can check it out... But before you really part ways, remember that I also said that that flame died out long ago? They go through the steps but I don't think they actually pass anything on these days apart from the hat and the political agenda. We're not really disagreeing.

OK agreed. I would venture to say that there is an STS component to those rituals. Large empires tend to have a strong STS energy so I don't see how the world's largest religious empire would be any different.

This week the pope attacked the British atheists. I loved that.. Talk about fertilizing your enemies crops.

Good move!

And thats the thing! Imagine a true Christian, would he not call Christianity his spiritual path?

Of course.

But what is a 'true Christian'? Depends on whom you ask. What I would consider a 'true' Christian is one who follows the example shown by Christed beings such as Jesus, Buddha, etc. Belief would have nothing to do with it.

But ask any mainstream Christian what is a 'true Christian' and you will get a list of beliefs that are required, with belief in the Bible as the 'word of God' at the top of the list.

The distinction you make for yourself implies a discernment made upon Christians.

Only a distinction is intended, not judgment.

But other people than you see your semantics. And calling the Law of One a religion will only subject it to those interpretations. That'd be undesirable. I'm just pointing out similarities.

We cannot escape issues with semantics. When people hear a word used, they translate it to the connotation that fits their own paradigm. What's needed for good communication is to try to understand the other person's paradigm, and thus his/her intended meaning, which may be totally different from what we thought.

Just as many polarize STO via the vehicle of religion, so too do others polarize STS via the vehicle of religion. Religion is an equal-opportunity polarizer.

Lol I am not sure if that sounds good or bad.

Definitely not good! Religion has been used to polarize STS, undoubtedly. Or, to be more accurate, the institution of religion. (Trying to get our semantics straight here, heh.)

Uhhuh, I've seen those on TV.. I get energetically very upset about that. Those people are STS. Those rituals are pure STS in design. The amount of ego going through those guys.

case in point.

The difference is clear... do you have before you a humble person or a dictator? If it's a humble person give all you can, if it's a dictator, play games with them. Have fun, confusion is good for them, it causes doubt and depolarizes.

Thanks for the advice!

There's a big difference between the core mission of religion and the current institution. The institutions have almost always lost track of the core mission. The core mission is assisting people to become a divine creature. I support the mission and the groups that keep this mission alive, but not the institutions. This is the time of their undoing. Scandal after scandal undermines their authority.

And therein lies the crux of the disagreements on this thread. I submit that all participants on this thread have had varying definitions of the term religion. When one person intended spirituality, another person translated in their mind institutions. This has caused a lot of apparent disagreement when actually there was probably more agreement than disagreement.

In Holland we had a gay prince Carnival. Carnival is started in church, the bishop refused to allow the man in his church. But other churches under that bishop then invited him in defiance! It was an emperors clothes moment.

Good for them for standing up to authority!

It's not a singular organism, nothing is, not even us. The hierarchy is losing grip to synchronistic behavior. As above so below, or in this case as below so above!

Agreed!