Questions regarding the LOO, STS and Religions

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ali's post is more wishful thinking, beautification than actual reality. equating christ consciousness, 4d love with christianity doesnt make christianity that thing.

Neither does "negatification" alter reality. I have a positive distortion you have a more negative one. I never equated christ consciousness with christianity. I said it was about achieving christ consciousness. Getting the bus ticket isn't the same as arriving at your destination, it's unfortunately not even a guarantee.

I admit to your reality, there are groups that totally fit your description in all religions including Christianity. They may even be the majority. But my point of view is also true. There are spiritually advanced groups of Christians. And there are Christians who achieve christ consciousness in ways similar to the ways everyone else is doing it.

this is not negative, or negatification. this is wisdom. your approach is unfounded optimism.

there are reasons why negative entities seed and twist messages, but still send messages to positive entities when they chance up with one. firstly they want to mix in negative with positive, so seeding and expanding on them can be possible later, second, they want to be able to keep the channel with the contacted group open, even if it is a positive one. if a channel is open, it is possible to seed it with more negative information in future.

the entire story of religions from caanan region is a good example. from the '10 commandments' which include positive things like you shouldnt steal and such, to whole negative array that can be found in resulting islam. all 2 religions borrowed from their predecessor.

the negatively oriented material coming through these channels/links have increased, ultimately culminating in the catholic church, islamic conquests and repressive rule.

'negativized' is a misplaced word. these religions were not negativized later. these religions were created negatively. what was given to moses was given by negative orion group, directly. immediately after jesus's death (and probably while he was alive) his apostles have already been building on judaic heritage coming from moses to concile the new religion with masses. mohammad directly created a religion, saying he was the emissary of god, and he was above all entities, and directly borrowed from judaism and christianity.

this is not 'negativization'. this is direct negative.

It actually does... And what's more, the mere presence of a master can bring enlightenment. He does not even need to do anything. We're not as isolated as we think. We are essentially a tribe, Christ consciousness is inter personal.

Churches and sermons especially the catholic ones. Are completely shaped and defined by their effects on consciousness. The whole ritual is shaped around getting people into meditative states. It won't affect every one, there is a brain center which I mentioned before in another tread (left temporal lobe) that causes people to "fall" into meditation at different speeds. But most experience some pull.

This does not mean every church can invoke this effect, I told you many flames have died under the restrictive doctrine but that christian churches exist that provoke this effect is beyond doubt. I have seen it happen.

Look at this, yes people sink into meditation from this mixture.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQZgOLSiVjY

This is up to par with any other religion I know.

Let me sum it up for you.
Gregorian hymns.
Incense.
Prayer.
The presence of people in a meditative state.
Ritual.

Sacred geometric connections in the entire architecture ritual and mantras, sorry chants. If you Americans ever get the chance to visit a church that is over 400 years old. Go in there, sit on a bench close your eyes, feel. It can be more powerful than the most powerful nature nodes I've experienced. Then again, of course, they're usually built on them!

It also helps to study the occult influences on the church and of the church. Those that influenced the ritual, and where the churches ritual was taken into other traditions. Wicca, the self professed nature religion for example was actually designed by members of a masonic group. Who copy much of their esoteric basis from the occultists of the middle ages who in turn are basically christian. And this church copied traditions from pagans they assimilated and of course the greeks and romans. We tend to see big differences because they're obvious, but the similarities are much more subtle. Point being that they've got the proven technology and knowledge to invoke meditative states.

in accordance with the above block i posted ;

in any mixed lot there are better ones, there are worse ones. even in nazi group there were ones who didnt want genocides to happen, and there were ones who went further than committing genocides. even in our current planet, there are better people, and worse people.

this doesnt change the fact that a certain grouping of elements sharing a certain metaphysical concept, link, connection, channel, will be getting affected similarly through that channel. the end result is what matters.

are the power and influences of those better people and groups, coupled with the optimism and positive effort of people like you, enough to undo the negative influence ? if not so, 'yet', will it be ever enough to do that ?

if, it will be enough to do that in future, is it wise to spare that energy and effort into trying to wrest a heavily muddied, negative philosophy/channel that a negative society complex stands behind and feeds ? what about already existing purer principles, concepts, groups, philosophies ?

is it even logical to expect a lottery to hit oneself or someone else sitting in the church repeating a repetitive ritual for the 568th time, that 'something will spark', and shoulder all the negative influence that is probably still being channeled to these religions by the negative influencers ?

it isnt. had it been any useful, the world would be a MUCH better place by now, since billions have done the same sitting and laboring and meditating in religious houses and temples and whatnot for eons.

spiritual journey is not a journey of lottery. the entity is responsible with acting in conjunction with its own desire, and manifesting principles that it learned in its life. sticking to an impure channel, for whatever reason, despite purer information and channels and methods and means being given, and then expecting anything to happen, is just irresponsible.

this is a journey of sacrifices for betterment. if an entity cannot let go of impure channels and thoughts, it means it is not ready for advancing to next step, regardless of the reasons it shows to itself or its spiritual circle.