Questions regarding the LOO, STS and Religions

[unity100]

I can't argue with any of that. You're right.

Ali is also right.

...in that many people do manage to find the love, despite the negativity...many people have somehow managed to create great beauty from within such a negative structure.

entities who are inclined to find love, or in the path of positive, would find love wherever they are. the religion doesnt have anything to do with that.

the impact and result of what they find would change, depending on the circumstances. the purity of the result would change depending on the circumstances.

From the STS perspective, it's negative. But they too serve the Creator. It's their job to provide catalyst. Ultimately, it's all catalyst. While many people have not utilized this particular catalyst and ended up negative or confused, stuck in 3D, others have utilized the catalyst and transcended the negativity.

participating in a negative hierarchy is not experiencing a catalyst. catalyst would be the religions' rigid control, and negativity. not the act of participating in them. if you join the ranks, even if you dont participate, you will have participated in empowering a negative hierarchy.

for, as we know from the excerpts that talk about negative hierarchies in Ra material, the empowerment of the negative enslaver is proportional to the power of the enslaved. enslavement, as far as i understand, has infinite levels as anything else -> enslavement doesnt need to be how emperor palpatine subdues anakin skywalker. if, a negative controlling entity or group, or concept, in any way whatsoever, makes one entity accept their domination partially, they would still reap the benefit of that partial subjugation. 1 billion people subjecting themselves partially to the power and principles of a controlling hierarchy that is influenced by a negative outside source, i reckon, would still provide noticeable power to that negative outside source.

So then, as you address in the next part of your post, the question becomes: Is this efficient? Which is what I think you're trying to address here. We don't need to debate whether some souls have managed to create beauty and even polarize STO while being immersed in traditional religions. Neither do we need to debate that those particular religions were seeded by STS, since Ra tells us that.

The question then becomes, how can we reconcile the situation?

those souls were already 4 d harvested entities 21,500 years or so before inception of any caanan religion on earth, in case we are talking about various saints and apostles like theresa, augustine etc.

i think you cant reconcile everything. and, one shouldnt try to reconcile everything either. that is the fine point here. it is, i repeat, naive and rather stubborn to not let go of conditioned philosophies or beliefs, despite one is treading and advocating a path of increasing freedom, letting go of all ego related concepts, even physical body and such.

On the one hand, I see what Ali is seeing: the control is slipping. I see new movements in Christian churches spreading like wildfire...like my friend's Universalism movement, like numerous peace movements, alternative health movements, movements to seek understanding with other religions...these Christians, Muslims, etc. are seeking to expand their paradigm and doing a great job, a joy to behold!

what we know from Ra text, regarding the nature of negative society complexes, and actually what we can gleam from this planet's history (that we know), negative organizations, societies constantly experience entropy, and fall apart. because they are not harmonious in nature, it is hard for them to maintain coherence and cooperation continually. it is natural, if there is not a strong controlling authority, for them to spawn.

but then again that doesnt mean that a peaceful revolution is occurring.

But it's the ones still trapped in the middle I am concerned about, and, if I'm understanding you correctly (unity100), you are too. These lovely souls truly do want to polarize STO. They are doing the best they can. But they keep meeting a resistance, because of the "authority" who is telling them what to believe. They are being held back. I know some of these people would totally open up and just blossom, if not for these restraining authorities. It is on this point I agree with you. The institutions, being rooted in STS control, are making it unnecessarily difficult for these lights to shine brightly.

my concern is entities that are of higher frequency or wanderer or more advanced in nature, and still being burdened or hampered by these negative influenced conditionings and dogmas in varying degrees, proportionally decreasing their manifestation of whatever they have came here for. as we know from the talk about negative influences' targets in Ra text, that, wanderers and higher frequency entities are priority for negative influences.

I agree in theory. But how do we do that, without imposing on their free will? How do we get past the conditioning? And do we even have the right to help another-self get past the conditioning?

i think those you speak of will choose what they will and 'help' should not be taken to them unless they ask and what. as i said, my concern is about those who had accessed and called purer thoughts and philosophies and got the means (like Ra text), but still insist on not letting go of the less pure ones now.

What do you suggest? How do we encourage purer information, without imposing on the free will of others?

cant do anything until they want and ask for it.

No, yours is merely an opinion unity. One that generalizes and rejects whole tribes of people. It's not including it's excluding. Not towards the one but towards separation.

I don't value that particular opinion. I see it all around me, and like those people you don't actually give me the impression of knowing what you talk about when you take the word Islam in your mouth.

im not giving any 'impressions'. i know islam. i studied it. if, i take the word islam in my mouth and provide examples, history, and citations, the picture would be much more dire, and there would be no doubt to the connotations and tones of that religion. those wouldnt be my 'opinions' too, but rather be the 'unchanged' word of 'god' that is written in stone in its holy book, and the second tier rules which come from its prophet's sayings and life. the former of this, is unobjectionable and unquestionable in islam. however, these would 'offend' you to utmost degree, and probably shake your opinion of that religion.

you cant 'include' everything. because, there are things and entities that do not want to be included. just like how the confederation was not able to 'include' the negative attack that was directed to them by orion groups, because that would mean enslavement and end of their positivity.

for things that do not want to be included, the only way is to wait until they are mature enough to be included and actually can be included. this is what this universe seems to employ with the entities leaning to negative path.