Why I am not a vegan

[Night Owl]

I have to apologize for anything I would have said that made any vegan threaten. I also apologize has I've said way many too many things out of context but after a few days I've worked my ideas and came to a conclusion. I feel sad that this debate would still go about eating meat being bad or not that was not the point.
All my efforts were somewhat related to Monica and it was no offense and I will agree to anything you say that not eating meat is better than eating meat.

But I was only refering to the fact that you opened up yourself to a learning experience from both sides when you started those thread and you have closed your heart to those opportunities when they came to you just because those who had something to teach you were eating meat and their opinions maybe didn't have the same value to your eyes. I will take back anything I have said if you would just consider that and I would feel like I have made my duty if that makes you somehow reach some compassion for those whose lifestyle is different than yours that you judge it good or bad  because their experiences have something worth learning from.

In short I hope being right will not block your heart from a learning experience in the future. And I tell you that sincerely and out of love because I have nothing to gain from this thread except the joy of seeing it reach compassion and oneness one both sides.

I am quite accustomed to meat-eaters using me as a scapegoat, rather than facing their own consciences. But this discussion isn't about me. Thank you for your offer but I decline. Let go of any perceived duty on my behalf. Peace to you.

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I apologize for saying I have nothing to gain from this thread as I was mainly talking about the fact nobody is gonna teach me that there is much animal suffering I already know. I said that mainly to express that I speak on an impersonal level when in this thread. But that doesn't mean it cannot change. If you do have someting to teach then go on I am more than willing to learn as I am willing to teach but this is a two-way process. You seek to unslave animals from man, I seek to unslave man from man himself and by doing that, unslave myself as well because I am every other selves.

Nobody is using you as a scapegoat. In fact I do think this discussion is about you since you started the vegan threads and you reject the learning opportunities you have yourself called upon at the beginging. And I don't perceive any duty on your behalf. I don't understand how you can somehow accuse meat eaters of fleeing from facing their own consciences and not see how that is also your case. But you are right that it should not be about you, so I'll move further with relevant philosophical content.

Something I would like you to tell me is how do you expect someone not to be in the sinkhole of indifference at all. I mean you can polarize positively on a subject like meat but there is probably infinite other subjects one can not even be aware of that he lies in the sinkhole. How does one expect not being in the sinkhole at all? How can one judge others for being in that sinkhole if one cannot perceive every possibilities for him to be in that sinkhole? I could be a vegan but there is so much people I have not helped on this planet. I have not helped anybody victims of famine, tsunami, hurricanes, war, diseases. Would becoming a vegan make me STO by default regardless of all that happening since I am born?

Let's say I become a vegan, does that affect my polarity if I don't try to convince everybody else that they also should? Then it becomes: How does not doing something bring you polarization? Is that even valid? What is common ground necessary to even answer that properly? In fact only based on how I feel I can find compassion to any kind of suffering that it is animal or human. But to victimize them I would to have to dive really deep in the illusion that there are in fact other selves when there is only one.

Nevertheless know that on a personal level the more meat I eat the more I find it tasteless. I don't eat that much meat but what I would really have a concern getting rid off is dairy products. Is there really no way to have clean healthy biological dairy products without enslaving animals?