(12-24-2015, 07:31 PM)Monica Wrote: ...
My last post will be the last one before the mods deactivate my account, which I hope is soon.
(12-24-2015, 06:39 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: What I disagree with,
Victims and will: Where you see victims and experiences against their will, I see sovereign beings with free will as the prime distortion of their experience.
Unnecessarily suffering: I'm not sure you grasp the concept of Intelligent Infinity or Infinite Intelligence, why not say that every experiences you dislike are unnecessary? No seriously.. who the hell cares about what it feels like to be rock for ages and ages, suffering at least has a deeper meaning and when transmuted gives birth to a light brighter than the one that did not know suffering.
I will try 1 last time to simplify it for you, but after this, I won't be around, so if you still don't get it, well, there's nothing else I can do or say.
From the perspective of Intelligent Infinity, or even from the Higher Self, there is always meaning in everything, including suffering.
From the perspective of the entity in the density of Choice, choice matters.
Understanding lies in the resolution of paradox. Both are true. It has been said that I don't believe in Oneness. That is completely wrong. Of course I do. But Oneness includes both distortion and the undistorted. ALL is One, including distortion, including the Density of Choice. To negate the importance of choice is to negate Oneness. To negate distortion is to negate the undistorted.
One can acknowledge that there is a purpose to animals being victims, while, at the same time, choosing to not participate in it. That's what Choice is all about. That's what the polarities are all about. You've stated that you disagree with Ra's concepts of polarities. You are free to believe as you wish. But please quit twisting my words and presuming to understand what I believe, when you don't even have the same foundation and don't even accept what I consider to be core concepts of the Law of One.
Well I do not disagree with Ra's concepts of polarities but instead come to different conclusions than your owns. I have used multiple Ra quotes to support that it is possible for one to eat meat in positive polarity. Quotes that support that polarity is love as known to the heart and is different and unique to each. It is in a way the purpose of many-ness, and we are all called to be of service in different ways. Not so surprisingly, members have different reasons from one to another to eat meat.
(12-24-2015, 07:31 PM)Monica Wrote:(12-24-2015, 06:39 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: I'm sure there's been many meat eaters who have seen love, beauty and honor in those who are vegan. On the other side I have seen never you, despite expressing a desire to understand other-selves, show signs of perceiving any love/light in the ways of others that are unlike yours. Every channeled entity mainly say to view yourself in others, to open yourself to perceiving the love/light beneath each things including those you perceive as without love, to understand that above the illusion everything is bound in unity.
Right. In the 7 (or was it 8?) years that I've been here, I've never ever shown any love/light to anyone who disagreed with me. Got it. In fact, that's why they asked me to be mod - because I was such a controlling, strict disciplinarian, and that's exactly what they needed. I never showed any love/light to anyone, never once during the years I moderated.
I'm not talking about your general perception of everyone, I'm talking about the very act of meat eating. Have you perceived as love and light this act being done by any individual from this forum?
(12-24-2015, 07:31 PM)Monica Wrote: I also 'get' that the meat-eaters will continue to perceive me as controlling and judgmental, until I pat them on the back and say "there, there...it's ok to eat meat...it's your free will choice to support the suffering of animals and that's OK." It won't ever matter what I do or say, or how much love/light I show, or how 'nice' I am. Diana, Pablisimo and I learned that the hard way. We tried sooooooo hard; we really did. None of that mattered. As long as we remain firm in our convictions, nothing we can say or do will never be good enough. The only thing that will make them feel better is reassurance that what they're doing is ok.
You probably won't believe this, but I actually feel immense compassion for those who are so dependent on the approval of others, that they continue to lash out at them, until they get what they want - reassurance and an assuaging of their conscience.
They'll have to look elsewhere because they won't get it from me.
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Well I do believe what you do to be effective and a good mirror, but I have not found these threads to be much challenging to myself. Still does not mean I can't have an interest in them, appreciate where they lead and be open to their potential to bring change within myself.