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    02-18-2016, 10:50 AM
    (02-18-2016, 06:24 AM)Rolci Wrote: Another thought about what you said about the Choice and the subsequent pursuing, what bothers my mind is this: "As one continues to make their choice of polarity, with dedication" sounds to me something like you know about polarity, and you keep CHOOSING along that path. I have a problem with choosing as opposed to doing always what feels RIGHT, even if it would be in a situation the bad" thing. It would seem appropriate to let what comes (let go and let God, that includes all "polarities) and see how the result feels, just as Quo says to take something "bad" we're done into meditation and take it to its extreme. To override choosing the bad that feels right just because you are aware of polarities, maybe even aware of your "chosen" path (or a path you forced yourself upon?) feels to me like lying to yourself, denying yourself, suppressing a part of you rather than embracing it lovingly, and letting it be expressed and accepted. Overriding a "bad" that feels right in that moment seems to me coming from a fear like "oh no, this is not who I want to be, I don't want to be this" and I do not accept this as part of me (where me should be whole). Yes that also always bothered me. We are in 3D, aware of the merging of polarities in 6D and the illusory nature of polarities. Yet here we are trying to make a choice and gain more of this polarity that we know doesn't even exist in ultimate reality. And then we try not to do "bad", for fear of depolarizing, denying our own knowledge that we are the Creator and that Creator is ALL that is (the "good" and the "bad", as viewed from a 3D duality-controlled mind). Why are we expected to kid ourselves?

    I think the veil is the one doing the "kidding". The fact is that 95% of all people incarnated right now are not doing high magical work, they are merely expressing and experiencing themselves without reservation, and then hopefully balancing anything that resonates as "bad" afterwards to integrate and grow. But as one develops further along this ability, often Wanderers realize that they *did* incarnate to do work, to lighten the load of the transition to 3rd density. Being a passive radiator definitely helps, but conscious magical work helps even more. This is what Q'uo describes as a "magical act":

    Quote:Q'uo: You have been a magician each time that you have faced a situation in life and made a conscious choice to respond to catalyst that is offered you in a way which was not automatic in your responsive system. When you have chosen a higher path, when you have chosen a soft word instead of a harsh one, a kind action instead of a rude one, or an honest if hard answer instead of a hypocritical though easy one, you have acted in a magical way, choosing to lift your consciousness to a higher path.

    Here is what Ra says:

    Quote:94.20 Questioner: The magical shape is on the right edge of the card indicating to me that the spiritual significance is on the right edge of the card, indicating to me that the spiritual experience would be the right-hand path. Could Ra comment on that?

    Ra: I am Ra. Yes. The figure is expressing the nature of experience by having its attention caught by what may be termed the left-hand catalyst. Meanwhile, the power, the magic, is available upon the right-hand path.

    The nature of experience is such that the attention shall be constantly given varieties of experience. Those that are presumed to be negative, or interpreted as negative, may seem in abundance. It is a great challenge to take catalyst and devise the magical, positive experience. That which is magical in the negative experience is much longer coming, shall we say, in the third density.

    You don't *have* to do high work in polarization/magical personality development to harvest, or to even aid in harvest. It's another choice you have. You can let things happen to you, as you describe, which is fine, or you can develop the will and more consciously recognize that you have been creating your own reality all along with your own thoughts. The "passive" thoughts that exist that create the reality that we look at are often destructive. You can self-edit these for a better experience.

    Quote:One last thing about one eternal moment ad simultaneity. Yes I have also always grasped what it "wants" to mean. Yet everything I read, sometimes in the same or next sentence as the one emphasizing it, tells the opposite, and I do not readily accept this as the usual metaphysical paradox. Possibly the best example would be "after death." Once you're out of body, there is no veil, right? So you know that all your incarnations exist simultaneously as tentacles of your higher self. (Heck we know this INSIDE 3D incarnation.) So why would you want to go and be healed from incarnative trauma, AFTER which you go on and plan a "next" life. Why would you plan something that's already done and dusted?

    I think the "after death" only applies to our vantage point here, from this view, incarnated in time. Time is the illusion, simultaneity is the truth. Just like separation is the illusion but unity is the truth. I'm pretty sure Ra says that the illusion of progression is merely there for something for everyone to do, really, and a way to gauge progress of the "self". It's easy to feel nihilistic here in 3rd density, but out of incarnation it's impossible.

    It's also explicitly the paradox that contains within it gems of wisdom for you to unravel. Any paradox, if it seems unresolved in your mind, can be resolved.

    Quote:My only resolution would be something that is not mentioned in the Ra material, and would be this: Similarly to what Ra says about how "young"souls reincarnate without planning (guides do the planning, and you only start planning once you have come to the realization that you can), maybe you keep planning your "next" incarnations, until you realize yo don't have to. Why play along after death and have all these discussions with the guides when you can simply visualize merging back into the higher self (or even the ALL) and thus do it? Indeed, in some sessions in the Convoluted Universe books there are these souls who confirm this is their last incarnation on Earth, while others, mostly first-timers on earth, "wanderers" straight from source, protected (sometimes by some kind of etheric shield) from the accumulation of karma, say that they only came for this one incarnation to help Earth with the ascension and then they're back to the source. That reminds me, maybe the concept of karma is also only functional as long as the soul (probably more unknowingly than knowingly - there MUST be some kind of veil after death) readily accepts it. Once you realize it's not a MUST and you don't HAVE TO return for more """lessons""", you can opt out. Yes lessons is funny, first they (or you) have you experience being a murderer, next you are either murdered or you are a carer of your victim. No lessons, only experiencing ALL sides.

    Once an entity reaches the vibration where they can experience unconditional love (which is the lesson of multiple incarnations over time), they can leave 3D if they want - but most become fond of friends and family who can't leave yet, and make the sacrifice of one or two or ten more incarnations to help them.

    Quote:So if the soul doesn't realize that the life it would plan already exists, how would you say the veil had been removed? If the soul knows fully again who they are and what ultimate reality is, how much sense does it take to plan what already exists?? So where is the eternal moment of now in all that?

    There is still some veiling in the densities after ours. And when one dies, they go to 3rd density time/space, which definitely is still veiled but less so than space/time.

    Have you read Michael Newton's books about inbetween lives? They might answer some questions about the whys of people choosing to come back, how guides guard our past/future incarnational information, etc.

    Quote:I would assume that a negative adept that is so far along the path that it has so much magickal power would've come to the realization of the importance of the respect of free will. I would expect it to know that infringement depolarizes regardless of the chosen path, as the skill is in either control and manipulation as ALLOWED by the victim's free will, or in accepting other self as self. Which is why 4th and 5th D negatives do not just come and kill (not that they don't have the power to) but rather use psychic attack. Killing would be too "easy" and be no challenge, and further polarization stems from passing more and more challanging "tests". Killing, at such levels of "development", would be equal to seeing a challenge, and instead of conquering it, you get rid of it, essentially telling the Universe (yourself) that you're not ready/able to handle it.So you aren't. Just my untrained thoughts.

    I would assume that a negative entity, if they wanted someone dead, would have a minion go do it. It's all about enslaving others using their free will to do it, not against their free will. That's really the artful challenge of negative entities in 3rd density, and the astounding ways they have achieved it (mainly through media) is quite amazing. So many people actually believe they want to go to work 40+ hours a week so they can buy a new car every few years and new appliances every few years and new clothes every week etc etc etc, so they literally pour all of their energies into various corporations. Gg neggies.

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    Info request on negative adept - by Cyan - 03-11-2012, 07:10 AM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by 3DMonkey - 03-11-2012, 09:25 AM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Confused - 03-13-2012, 10:54 AM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Oceania - 03-11-2012, 02:44 PM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Ankh - 03-11-2012, 04:56 PM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Rolci - 02-06-2016, 11:03 AM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by APeacefulWarrior - 02-06-2016, 02:02 PM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Brittany - 03-11-2012, 05:09 PM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by godwide_void - 03-12-2012, 03:03 PM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by 3DMonkey - 03-12-2012, 04:45 PM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by godwide_void - 03-12-2012, 05:19 PM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by 3DMonkey - 03-12-2012, 06:31 PM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by godwide_void - 03-13-2012, 12:31 AM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Brittany - 03-13-2012, 12:42 AM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Cyan - 03-13-2012, 07:05 AM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Ankh - 03-13-2012, 09:46 AM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Ankh - 03-14-2012, 05:06 AM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Cyan - 03-14-2012, 05:20 AM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by 3DMonkey - 03-13-2012, 09:41 AM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Cyan - 03-13-2012, 11:06 AM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Ankh - 03-14-2012, 06:28 AM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Cyan - 03-14-2012, 06:29 AM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Aureus - 03-20-2012, 08:23 PM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by GreatSpirit - 02-06-2016, 02:33 PM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Aion - 02-06-2016, 04:55 PM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by spero - 02-06-2016, 09:41 PM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Jade - 02-07-2016, 10:14 AM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Rolci - 02-07-2016, 02:25 PM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Nicholas - 02-07-2016, 05:14 PM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Rolci - 02-07-2016, 05:45 PM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Nicholas - 02-14-2016, 03:29 PM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Ankh - 02-08-2016, 05:14 AM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Jade - 02-08-2016, 10:17 AM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Rolci - 02-13-2016, 07:55 PM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Jade - 02-14-2016, 12:46 PM
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    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Rolci - 02-14-2016, 09:44 PM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Jade - 02-15-2016, 11:26 AM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by AnthroHeart - 02-14-2016, 06:39 PM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by spero - 02-15-2016, 04:02 AM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Bourbon Betty - 02-15-2016, 11:01 AM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Rolci - 02-17-2016, 10:56 AM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Jade - 02-17-2016, 11:36 AM
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    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Jade - 02-17-2016, 02:57 PM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Rolci - 02-18-2016, 06:24 AM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Jade - 02-18-2016, 10:50 AM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Rolci - 02-18-2016, 03:04 PM
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    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Jade - 02-17-2016, 03:32 PM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Jade - 02-18-2016, 02:03 PM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Rolci - 02-21-2016, 10:57 AM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Minyatur - 02-21-2016, 11:15 AM
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    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Jade - 02-21-2016, 01:14 PM
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    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Jade - 02-21-2016, 04:04 PM
    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Jade - 02-21-2016, 05:32 PM
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    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Jade - 02-22-2016, 10:48 AM
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    RE: Info request on negative adept - by Jade - 02-22-2016, 02:21 PM
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