Seeing as if 4D

[Jade]

Trying to learn 3rd density lessons with a 2nd density body is like trying to eat pudding with a pair of chopsticks.  Sure, you can try it, but wouldn't it make more sense to use a spoon?  A lot of what you're saying is just like that, it could be attempted, but it doesn't really work very well.  

It's not about whether or not something is making an attempt to be harvested. In fact, Ra says we're well along our paths to 4th density harvestability before we are even aware we have chosen. Everything is always attempting to make an upward reach to the creator. It's not about speed, nor is it about whether or not each individual can fully develop a yellow-ray experience through multiple incarnations. It's about whether or not something processes its experience at a fast rate, and becomes aware, and maintains a minimal balance in its activated centers. The possibility is built in for every entity in every true color density of this octave, because if it wasn't, it would totally negate the point of all of us being the Creator. It's more like "all are creators and some are more aware than others" than "Some are creators but others just can't be". If the Creator wants to experience itself as a 4th density, billion-year-old cluster of minerals and trees and bears and bugs, it will. Who cares about the challenge? This isn't set up to be easy, so if there are fragments that can "game" the system, they are allowed that. In infinity, the creator wants to try to eat pudding with chopsticks, or at least it's possible that the desire exists, because why not? It has forever to goof around. And if it succeeds, what a feat!

I take a lot of what Ra says on faith, but at some point you have to compare any philosophy you are subscribing to to the real world experience you are having and I have yet to experience an rational self aware rock, or a rational self aware tree.

I was merely teasing you for your conversation you had with Miny the other day, but of course I agree, any philosophy must stand up against real world experience. I guess, my real world experience is that I meet aware rocks and trees quite often. Have you ever climbed a mountain? Have you ever owned a dog? Or a parrot? There are ways to experience these things. Obviously a society of parrots will not be as developed or intricate or full of the rich possibility experience afforded a society of humans, but if you think of the most *primitive* societies of humans, their differences are quite minor, lessened even by the fact that ceremonial dress often involves dressing up to emulate birds and their courting ceremonies.