10-03-2010, 04:16 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-03-2010, 04:22 PM by Questioner.)
u100, I'm confused and it might be because you and I are using different definitions.
Here's a typical dictionary definition, in this case from Mirriam-Webster online.
What I see here is economics, politics, government, and the state.
The goal of harmonious cooperation you mentioned, which I would also like to see and which I believe occurs naturally and spontaneously in 4D+, seems to not require or have anything to do with economics, politics, government, or the state.
Economics is the study of systematic allocation of scarce resources. In 4D+, resources are not scarce. So economics is irrelevant.
Politics is the use of physical power to enforce economic conclusions. In 4D+, economics is irrelevant and cooperation does not need to be obtained through physical force. So politics is irrelevant.
Government is the monopoly on the use of force over a territory, through trade-offs. In 4D+, territories don't need to be monopolized, and trade-offs are not necssary, so politics is irrelevant.
The state is the institutions and territory of government, therefore also irrelevant in 4D+.
Perhaps it would help if you could say whether you are using any of these three definitions. If not, then I have to confess I do not know what meaning you associate with the word "socialism."
Here's a typical dictionary definition, in this case from Mirriam-Webster online.
Quote:Definition of SOCIALISM
1
: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2
a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3
: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
What I see here is economics, politics, government, and the state.
The goal of harmonious cooperation you mentioned, which I would also like to see and which I believe occurs naturally and spontaneously in 4D+, seems to not require or have anything to do with economics, politics, government, or the state.
Economics is the study of systematic allocation of scarce resources. In 4D+, resources are not scarce. So economics is irrelevant.
Politics is the use of physical power to enforce economic conclusions. In 4D+, economics is irrelevant and cooperation does not need to be obtained through physical force. So politics is irrelevant.
Government is the monopoly on the use of force over a territory, through trade-offs. In 4D+, territories don't need to be monopolized, and trade-offs are not necssary, so politics is irrelevant.
The state is the institutions and territory of government, therefore also irrelevant in 4D+.
Perhaps it would help if you could say whether you are using any of these three definitions. If not, then I have to confess I do not know what meaning you associate with the word "socialism."