(10-03-2010, 04:16 PM)Questioner Wrote: u100, I'm confused and it might be because you and I are using different definitions.
Here's a typical dictionary definition, in this case from Mirriam-Webster online.
Quote:Definition of SOCIALISM
1
: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2
a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3
: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
What I see here is economics, politics, government, and the state.
The goal of harmonious cooperation you mentioned, which I would also like to see and which I believe occurs naturally and spontaneously in 4D+, seems to not require or have anything to do with economics, politics, government, or the state.
Economics is the study of systematic allocation of scarce resources. In 4D+, resources are not scarce. So economics is irrelevant.
Politics is the use of physical power to enforce economic conclusions. In 4D+, economics is irrelevant and cooperation does not need to be obtained through physical force. So politics is irrelevant.
Government is the monopoly on the use of force over a territory, through trade-offs. In 4D+, territories don't need to be monopolized, and trade-offs are not necssary, so politics is irrelevant.
The state is the institutions and territory of government, therefore also irrelevant in 4D+.
Perhaps it would help if you could say whether you are using any of these three definitions. If not, then I have to confess I do not know what meaning you associate with the word "socialism."
we have come to a good and important point i was wanting to vocalize.
first, there are no such thing as 'unlimited resources' or, not scarce resources. in every given density, the amount of energy that can flow through/ can be manifested by any kind of manifesting node, will be defined and limited.
this is a grand rule, but it applies to everything ranging from individual bodies, to the amount of water that flows in a riverbed, to the amount of planets a star can sustain.
basically, there may be unlimited energy and resources behind a node, but, node is the limiter. and, since node is a manifestation that only comes into being by the concept of 'finiteness' being there, (if it was not finite, there wouldnt be a node but just infinity) the node will only be able to channel any kind of energy as much as its manifesting vehicle (or manifestation in general) allows.
so, you cant load 10 million amperes to a copper wire of 1 mm diameter, and expect it to hold. it will snip.
similar is the energy that flows from spirit outside through mind and body. if energy is flowing more than the channels, mind will have to expand and allow more energy first, then the body will have to adjust. if any of these fail, or overloaded, they will break down. madness, or illness.
had it not been as such, it would be a trifle to have neverending channeling sessions, for example. or, do endless meditation. or, any kind of entity which unlocked and manifested higher energies or contacted intelligent infinity, to stay in that state. so far, noone does. because 3d body doesnt handle that much flow.
same goes for any kind of manifestation on this planet. a field will not be able to sustain more crops than it allows. even if everyone shares, a single tree will only be able to give as much fruits as its vehicle and resources it receives can muster. even if everyone becomes mind bogglingly loving, the amount of sunlight falling onto the planet will still be the same.
even with spiritual energy such as love, or blue ray or indigo, there will be limitations due to this basic concept.
so it will be necessary eventually to use anything one has, in a wise and efficient manner.
even if there isnt scarcity, it is so simple ; if the 4d society uses its resources wisely and more efficiently, they will be able to tend, say, 2 3d planets instead of 1. (sending love, for example) dont even need to talk about physical manifestations and their allocation. ie, the vehicles to go to a planet they are to give a service to, will need to be built. resources allocated, things done.
for these to happen, people will need to get organized. just like how the entire universe is organized to function.
some have the impression that everything will 'magically' happen and come to being, 'somehow'. and, everyone will 'just' act in harmony and everything will 'just' be.
there is no such thing, in any given density, in any given manifestation. things, need to happen, for things to happen. and they manifest according to the basic rules that were set at the start of this universe.
lets say you are in 5d, and you conjure some astral object. it came out of nowhere, right ? wrong. you have just taken and changed some form of intelligent energy, etheric or otherwise, into some other form. it didnt just happen from nowhere, you drew it from some kind of place. what happens if you incessantly, carelessly overdraw that kind of energy in the locale you are in, too much ? nothing will happen ? no. something, will happen somewhere in the universe, even if its not directly your locale. and things will eventually need to be balanced, so the taken will need to be given in some other way. this is balance. it cant be balanced without getting balanced. a kind of 'cosmic' karma if you will.
this is why knowing the 'dance', of existence, and being wise is important. those who dont know it, can easily break things while trying to do service to something else. or, may be unable to deliver whats needed.
organization will always stay relevant, all the time. after all, as we learn from Ra, this existence was created in a hierarchical, organized manner. its not something that can be avoided.
and 'government', is not something that is particular to 3d and will magically go away when you change to 4d. because multiple-beingness needs organization, even if only to efficiently function and render more service (or the maximum service that totality can handle), there will need to be organization. even while channeling, 4d entities attend 4d channeling needs and love needs of entities on an 3d planet, and 5d entities attend their ray, and 6d entities serve the ones seeking indigo ray.
it doesnt 'just' happen. all the entities participating in this service know that love needs are better and efficiently served by 4d society complexes, blue ray by 5d, and indigo by 6d, and get organized as such.
the difference is, this planet has a 3d negative society. therefore, the 'government' here is for and by the benefit of minority elite.
the difference of a positive situation, is government becomes all the entities in the society, and it becomes an organization scheme to function.
it is easily understandable that, in a telephatic society, central organization would be needed less and less, due to instant communication and sharing of thoughts, ideas and making decisions thanks to telepathy.
but, this doesnt mean organization and decision making and resource allocation processes etc will just go away. they are features of physical manifestation of multiple beingness.
actually, in early parts of 4d, while entities are just discovering telepathy, and newly creating society complex, it wont be much different from a late 3d society. a planet doesnt just become a wonderfully harmonious and 'synchronized' place with a mere 4d density switch. harmonization and synchronization that is spoken about is a process that continues far into the end of 7d, if we look into what Ra tells about their experience and current seeking. actually it seems the entire story of this octave is that kind of work. thankfully, for this planet, there is internet, so that early stages of 4d wont be without speedy communication.
open source development methods that the software world employs, are good examples of such social organization and phenomenon.
(10-03-2010, 03:11 PM)thefool Wrote: Even in anarchy there is an order that we may not realize. In the end all densities are limited by something. If nothing else but the boundaries of their densities. That limitation results in some sort of laws that everything must abide by. But I don't see them as a council of representatives making decisions...
all densities are limited and organized by the rules set at the start of creation of this universe by the local manifesting node of infinite intelligence.
the intelligence part in that infinite intelligence is important. its not some random, remote concept. everything in this universe, has come here from that central sun of this universe, and all of them are part of it.
so, practically, the laws and rules governing this universe, was put here by us all. collectively.
in a positive organization method, everyone would participate in decision making process, for every decision. not representatives.