05-14-2016, 11:53 AM
(This post was last modified: 05-14-2016, 12:04 PM by JustLikeYou.)
Is it possible for a material body to be made of something other than matter? The archetypes are the fundamental blocks out of which our thoughts and feelings are composed.
It is possible for us to think about the more basic concepts that compose the archetypes (which themselves are concept complexes), but we cannot go past this boundary. Archetypes are to the mind what amino acids are for the body. There can be no body without amino acids, and these acids are the primary material our bodies are constructed from; however, our bodies do also use simpler compounds and elements, just as the mind also makes use of simpler concepts. Even so, there is no human activity---bodily, mental or spiritual---that does not make heavy, heavy use of archetypes.
Yes, this is the level that Jeremy was referring to. It is not "beyond" the archetypes in the sense that we can access it and leave behind the archetypal mind as an obsolete structure. However, it is also not identical to the archetypes.
Rather, it is the more fundamental structure atop which the archetypal mind rests. If the cosmic mind is the foundation, the archetypal mind is the house. Continuing the metaphor, the planetary mind is the interior design.
The cosmic mind is a level that is predicated by the archetypes. If the archetypal mind gives the physical laws of the universe (which it does), then the cosmic mind gives the mathematical structure without which the physical laws of the universe could not be expressed. Yes, we can study math without reference to physics, but when we apply the math we circle back to physics.
I think we need a better definition of "limit." I can tell my step-son that he is limited to the front and back yards. This limitation is a distinct boundary beyond which he is not allowed to step, but the opportunities for experience within this limitation are yet infinite. In other words, it is mathematically possible for there to be a bounded infinity (this was proven by Georg Cantor). This is precisely how I see the archetypal mind limiting human experience. It is a blueprint of all energy exchanges, which means that we don't get to have energy exchanges that are not described by the archetypes. However, that does not limit the variety of energy exchanges; it only limits the materials out of which energy exchange is constructed.
It is possible for us to think about the more basic concepts that compose the archetypes (which themselves are concept complexes), but we cannot go past this boundary. Archetypes are to the mind what amino acids are for the body. There can be no body without amino acids, and these acids are the primary material our bodies are constructed from; however, our bodies do also use simpler compounds and elements, just as the mind also makes use of simpler concepts. Even so, there is no human activity---bodily, mental or spiritual---that does not make heavy, heavy use of archetypes.
Bring4th_Jade Wrote:I think Ra mentions the cosmic mind, which as far as I can tell is the archetypical mind.
Yes, this is the level that Jeremy was referring to. It is not "beyond" the archetypes in the sense that we can access it and leave behind the archetypal mind as an obsolete structure. However, it is also not identical to the archetypes.
Rather, it is the more fundamental structure atop which the archetypal mind rests. If the cosmic mind is the foundation, the archetypal mind is the house. Continuing the metaphor, the planetary mind is the interior design.
The cosmic mind is a level that is predicated by the archetypes. If the archetypal mind gives the physical laws of the universe (which it does), then the cosmic mind gives the mathematical structure without which the physical laws of the universe could not be expressed. Yes, we can study math without reference to physics, but when we apply the math we circle back to physics.
jeremy6d Wrote:But regardless, I don't understand the archetypes as limits on thought. Rather, I see them as latent forms that thoughts resonate with in a more or less harmonious fashion. I definitely don't consider the archetypal mind a constraint on thought, but rather a hyper-abstract intelligence designed to frame evolution. It does not dictate thoughts, in other words, but merely provides the background for them to have meaning on our spiritual path.
I think we need a better definition of "limit." I can tell my step-son that he is limited to the front and back yards. This limitation is a distinct boundary beyond which he is not allowed to step, but the opportunities for experience within this limitation are yet infinite. In other words, it is mathematically possible for there to be a bounded infinity (this was proven by Georg Cantor). This is precisely how I see the archetypal mind limiting human experience. It is a blueprint of all energy exchanges, which means that we don't get to have energy exchanges that are not described by the archetypes. However, that does not limit the variety of energy exchanges; it only limits the materials out of which energy exchange is constructed.