Courting the maiden

[Jade]

I never said otherwise. What I think is that it's like loving a colony of ants by looking at them. Even if you take the time to understand their system and see them work, you don't really get to know them personally with what they experience and go through. It's seems actually impossible to think one can actually get to know them to be honest. I do think the sun is aware of the experience we go through on earth but I do not think the sun can know us personally and emotionally like we could not do the same with ants. The purpose of this is simply to be aware that loving unconditionally something that is very conditional to a particular experience without actually going through how it feels to be experienced is not as unconditional as it seems. I just hope I say this right. It is not an attack on radiating love like the sun.

So you just assume that we can't understand ants, so there's no reason to go through any effort to try to understand then? And it's not "unconditional" love that we are seeking, it's "universal", much like the Sun's radiation. Anyway, YinYang made the point I wanted to about the Sun not being veiled. I don't think it's impossible to communicate or get to know ants, or anything. I am the ant. The ant is not outside of me and without my reach.

I have already also said like 5 times that I don't imply you are wrong or that the analogy is false. Again what I say is that this particular analogy represent a certain focus not the whole archetype. It is not without reason that Ra does not speak of courting when first mentioning the archetype but mention it when asked to go deeper. Ra uses specific experience to describe the principle and uses an analogy in which it is fitting. What I say is only that it is not fitting everywhere.

It just seems like throwing around accusations like "You seem biased by the mated pair" and "Ra says Love isn't anything like 3D relationships" and "This isn't about the two paths it's about the greater path" is telling me that I'm wrong.

Are you saying you can extrapolate everything Ra wanted to teach from the sentence, "As you observe Archetype Six you may see the student of the mysteries being transformed by the need to choose betwixt the light and the dark in mind."?

Ra says the first step in learning the archetypes is to look at the cards, and decide what each of the symbols mean. Because this, as the archetypes are as a whole, is a lesson in "courting the maiden" and learning how to properly use our subconscious, intuitive resources. We are not born knowing how to do this, and likely most of us have never been taught before we began teaching ourselves. It's a "protracted" process.

I'm also not a big fan of quoting I must admit. I sometimes find if I need quotes to support a point then I probably don't need to express it anyway. But there are many moments where Ra says that the desire of the creator is to know itself and the importance of finding love and acceptance in the moment. I'll give you a few. But what I mainly mean by them is that you can find the love in the way you react to catalyst but unless you also see the love in the moment in the already present state before even interacting with it is done without understanding and therefore it becomes a very personal experience. It is not wrong either. I mainly just preach the personal side of it and the relativity of each experience.

The man loves what he is courting. It is what he is courting that is reacting to him. If he treats it well, it gives him "great treasure gained by careful courtship" or "that which is rough, prostituted, and without great virtue".

It's okay for us to talk about the archetype differently, but you can't totally change the gestalts of energy as I describe them. The conscious mind doesn't court because it doesn't see love, the conscious mind courts because it DOES see love in everything. Or, I guess, it feels love in everything, because his eyes are closed.

I guess I just wouldn't spare those people without getting to know them really and send them elsewhere. I desire that everything experience what it desires, even more than I wish to experience anything in particular.

Well, I guess I'm just being practical because the clock has ticked and another reality has already been prepared for the masses that haven't harvested. From those who are awakening, I get the feeling that most people don't want to repeat the major cycle and would rather harvest in this lifetime if they had the chance, so I suspect the same is for those who are sleeping or on the brink of waking up. There are not many of them out there who will make it, but they also need the opportunity to escape the cycles if they please. Mind you, I'm not saying the cycle is something to be escaped by any means, I'll happily reincarnate into 3rd density again, but it actually isn't until one is polarized that the switch flips and they actually want to stay.

I don't understand how I get such a negative feedback from you like you feel attacked or something but I am probably just failing at expressing what I mean. Sorry that you feel bothered by my words. I put no such intent while writing them. I simply answered questioned that were directed to me when the thread was revived. I simply find a need for expension in ideas about the archetype but maybe you are more interested in discussing courting. If that is the case just don't think I reject your point. I totally understand what you mean when you say that you court everything. I just see this as being your experience of it and having a different experience of it. I am probably one of those people which wouldn't want to be a dog that gets it's face scrunched.

I apologize if my tone is harsh, sometimes when discussing concepts like these in a "high wisdom" setting I lose my softness. I'm trying to articulate these concepts without emotional superfluity. However, I see passive aggressive digs from you as well, such as, "Maybe you are more interested in discussing courting" - doesn't seem like it's applying to the conversation, sounds more like a judgement against me. I'm interested in discussing the archetype in the context of the Ra teachings, so yeah, I'm interested in talking about courting, and getting it to a point where it's not as distorted so that people like you can understand the archetype in the context of the whole system.

I'm just frustrated because you are basically asking me to reinvent the wheel without offering any of your own reinvention. You say this isn't "entirely right", this doesn't resonate with you, this is biased, but I've still yet to see where you even actually grasp entirely what I'm trying to get at. It's just frustrating for you to reject the symbology of the archetypes, and therefore attempt to dismantle what I believe is a well thought out and understood treatment of what this archetype means. You can keep saying it doesn't resonate with you but it just feels like to me you're trying to justify not using the transformation.

Anyway the way I see it is that if I started loving the way you do I would probably lose everything I cherish in my life just as you would lose everything that you cherish in your life if you started loving like I do. We love in infinite ways and we explore different focus of love to help the creator to know itself and each of our ways has the purpose to help our personal path towards this direction.

"If you love something, set it free"?

Yes, the transformation is about release. I let go of things I love quite often because I know it's for the "greater good". That's why his arms are crossed in sacrifice. This is the whole point of the card.