Courting the maiden

[Minyatur]

Yes, exactly my point. I don't have crystals because I see them as a source of income, I have crystals because I see them as useful tools and companions. In my analogy, the man was extracting oil for money and likely lacking compassion, but full of love.

com·pas·sion
noun
sympathetic pity and concern for the sufferings or misfortunes of others.

Yet you bought them from those who extracted them for money?

Okay, well, it seems to me like you are muddling the words that I was trying to use, and my point was to unmuddle them. This is the end of a major cycle. It's been 3x 25,000 years. The native earth peoples have been infringed upon by Yahweh, yes, and there's lots of weird stuff that other densities have done in the past of course, but we are a sub-logos so really it's the will of the Logos above us that gets overidden. These entities will still have time to learn and grow and you can go join them on their new planet to aid them further if you'd like (I'll see ya there . And again, many of them (not the earth natives but others) have already blown up their planets before and have come quite close to destroying this one again. This is not Gaia's will, so they will move to another planet and hopefully complete their cycles there (or not).

I'm not sure why you speak of Gaia's will, I highly doubt Gaia has a desired outcome toward this, while you seem to see a prostitute I see a mother that both freely gives and resist depending on what her children needs. If she is blown up then she lets it happen out of love and will reform again into something new, I don't see how further cycles mean the earth being blown up, I could see that happen as a counter-measure to the forced harvest.

I think Gaia would be fine harvesting in any direction, just as repeating cycles. Like I said those who want to see the harvest happen are external to it and also forcefully make it happen.

Do you consider the will of the bacteria upon your teeth when you brush them? Are you plundering them? Or are you actually protecting your teeth from being plundered? I don't know, this is rhetorical, feel free to comment.  I just consider the microbes that we house, which are much more numerous than our own cells, as our "sub-logoi".

I agree our bodies are a world of their own. Each of us has the responsability of our inner world as we grow as co-creator just as mankind was given this place to grow as co-creator.

Okay, so you disagree with Ra's intentions and thus subsequently my intentions. That's cool. I'm still going to learn about the archetypes within the system as Ra intended them, personally. I've found immense value here. This thread and discussion is predicated on the concept that we are here to learn catalyst, and that by being aware we can use catalyst to help us learn "faster" and therefore help others learn "faster". I too am personally indifferent at the speed of harvest, but the other voices I hear are begging for the transition to be complete, so if I have the drive and desire to aid in this, I feel as if I've awakened to quite a valuable degree, and I want to refine that even further.

I don't disagree with this, I'd perhaps add that we hear the voices we tune ourselves to hear. Kinda what I meant by justification.

I'm not missing your point about higher love, I'm trying to talk about the Transformation of the Mind which is about green-ray love. Yes, they are different. You are the one who seems unable to divorce these two concepts.

I still think you can crystalize your heart into a channel unto those higher vibration of love.

Like I said I work on all my chakras and the heart is the one I've been working on most into by far.

It is possible to have different versions of plundering and courting but the point of this thread was to make an attempt to find common ground and not focus on difference necessarily. There is a huge point with the Transformation of the Mind that you must follow one path. You are telling me that I am doing it wrong because I'm not following both paths, or at least, that's my interpretation of how you are "using the Transformation of the Mind", when Ra says the Transformation can't be used until one principle governing use of the mind is released. I have to sacrifice certain ways of being of service to use the Transformation of the Mind, yes. That is my whole point.

I was not trying to make you follow both paths but expand what each path can be. I get how my examples seemed to
focused on doing what seem without love but the point was to find the ability to be able to perform them with love, or rather understanding that not everyone will find being loving in the same manner. My examples were not to always do them, they were more meant to say that if one finds a way to serve which one believes is always valid, then I don't see how it is all that different from plundering. My examples were meant to hint that even if an action is valid a 1000 times, the 1001th time can call for a different course of action because each moment has a different inherent underlying complexity but that to know this I believe requires to use the transformation of the mind, to be open that each moment is unique and although the mind perceives the same setting, the heart through the High Priestess can feel resistance on particular occasions toward doing the exact same deeds that are usually always well, and that to ignore this is somewhat to plunder in my view.

Again, my point is that there is always a better way to be of service, and that is what the card is helping cultivate. Yes, you can express green-ray love by eating meat, I wasn't denying that, but I've moved past that experience and eating meat to express green-ray love would be "moving backwards towards plunder" as I've moved past towards courting. I can give green-ray love to McDonald's burgers, in fact I often do "bless" fast-food joints and lots of places in an attempt to alleviate the energy. My point is that the card is about the consistent attempts to do better in service. In the analogy, a maiden would rebuke you for improper courting, but the prostitute still provides. That's why the process is protracted. And I'm not saying that your subconcious will punish you or anything, it's hinting to the fact that each maiden is different, and often what you think it needs is not what it thinks it needs, so you have to uncover the riddle. Wisdom doesn't solve this interaction in the microcosm.

My example was somewhat abtract, if your High Priestess would call you to do that then there should be a reason for you to. You can turn the McDonald example into simply being called to purchase one particular piece of meat you are called to (reincarnation of a past pet... anything) and rather than eating it, hold it into your hands into meditation to help heal that one particular entity you were drawn to.

Again, this was not an absolute example. Can happen in myriads of ways, someone can offer you one on the street and tell youl it'll be thrown if you don't take it. Then you have to chose between letting it rot to waste and taking in as part of yourself and part of the karma with you. Then again the point is not that you need to do this, just that openness to see love being present in many ways open oneself toward being called to more opportunities to serve.

I guess I feel, after reading the Ra material several times, that it is obvious to me that what Ra really wanted to communicate to Don was the archetypes. To Ra, this is the most undistorted way to teach people how to use their intuition to learn these things. Ra affectionately refrains "O Student" to Don, only when discussing the archetypes. This was Ra's real intent to communicate, IMO. It's lessons for third density schooling, the subtle balancing of catalyst and polarity. The lessons of dissolution and unity are later, but also still present in the archetypes. This one card that we have been discussing is about STO polarity.

Surely but this does not deny that Ra probably had so much more to teach about each card than what was passed on and expressed this process of study to be highly individual if I remember well.

I never tried to make it not about the STO polarity. More that the way and path for me to find STO within myself can differ than what you found for yourself. I didn't resonate with courting but did more with the notion of plundering which is to be let go of, I may have seen it as more abstract than you did because I am aware there is no actual plundering ever taking place and that it is more of a matter of personal feelings.

I'm trying to cultivate compassion for everything, really. I'm not refusing to eat the hamburger because I don't have compassion for it. That would be like dumpster diving for dinner because I feel bad that all the food is going to waste. And some people do that and it's viable!! Kudos to them!! To me, wisdom is knowing which avenue of service is most fruitful in a situation. To me, serving by eating the burger is not my highest service in that moment. I understand your point is that everyone has a different "highest service" but my subsequent point is that the Transformation of the Mind is about letting go of ways that we serve to serve in more refined ways.

Like I said above, this was more about one particular occasion you would feel highly called to do this (heart) and that your mind (intellectualizing) is your resistance toward it.

With how you are to make fruitful examples, I need the tables to be turned in a way which is much less intuitive. The point was still that you hear a call.

I personally think that your definition of wisdom is not entirely what Ra talks about when they describe wisdom. I think knowing that we know nothing is a big part of being a Fool.

When Ra spoke of their own 3D experience, they said that from a standpoint of wisdom they had an overabundance of love, which caused two positive wanderers to walk the STS path upon their world as to offer an alternative to those who did not fit on this strictly compassion mindset. To me that means that higher positive intent found focus upon the negative because it was what their world required most. It was not as they intended, but I still think it is the purity of their initial intent that lead them to serve as they did.

About the fool, as I became more aware I started to perceive why I have been acting as I had up until now, the unconscious reasons to what I was doing. I saw some say that becoming aware for example is to let go of things like eating meat that only takes place because of being unaware, yet I think that becoming even more aware for those would be to become aware of the positive intent which set them to initially eat meat while wondering why it could have been seen as useful and valuable by the them which was most conscious.

I'm just being honest that to me, you seem to be complicating a subject so that you can distort what we are talking about for your own gains. I am trying to limit STO love to exclude the types of manipulation and exploitation that are inherent in the STS path, yes. The STO path does have STS involved but we're trying to delineate which actions and energetic movements fall under which polarity, i.e. radiation vs. absorption. Yes, there is an umbrella over both and all should be accepted, but third density is about making Choices, choices that bring us subtly ever closer to unity, and not further from it.

I am well at peace with myself and don't need justification, I have been trying to express my points while not making this about myself because I did not think it was about myself, yet it seem to have become unevitable. I am well aware I am working from how I feel things and that trying to work from how another feels is unhelpful.

While I get that I give tool of justification, I believe it is your duty (edit: fate, else it goes against my signature) to find justification to what others do, to allow yourself to see the underlying love in each and every of their action if you truly seek to find love within yourself. So while you can feel that you plunder in acting a certain way, I believe you will find more love within yourself by seeing that others do not truly ever plunder and that there is beauty in what they do always. Whatever we say, we speak of love and light and unity each time we speak of others.

Like I said in another thread, I believe each path is the shadow self/light self of the other path. As such STS is the hidden hypocrisy and selfishness of the STO path made apparent, just as STO is the hidden innocence and beauty of the STS path made apparent. None truly containing either any more than the other and I believe this does matter as I highly doubt your soul has an understanding of polarity at the level of 3D native and that to truly unveil yourself is to unveil that within yourself you most likely already are very aware of both polarities being a paradox and that you perhaps have already solved within yourself from before incarnating. And if this is so, then you can extend much further and deeper what it can mean for yourself to be loving in greater ways.

I think there is quite a lot of transformation of the mind in this, and that to constantly refine what it means to be loving is part of making the choice to be loving.

I've shared many, many more quotes about this type of love than just likening it to a "teenager's feeling" - though what makes a teenager unable to feel to its fullest? It seems to me you are still judging this "courting" concept through the lens of Hollywood teen movies and pop songs. I've already said that society has distorted this concept and it seems to me that you are distorting it further. Sure, I've referenced the emotionality of the teenager in passing as one tenet of this card. What do you think the image of the child means in the Transformation of the Spirit?

I meant more that there is a point those quotes tells us to not seek love in how it has been romantizied by our poets and such.

By a child you mean the first one of the 3 figures that represent an elevation?

You seem really angry with Ra (you've said it in so many words) and this whole concept seems to sit poorly with you. Honestly, I don't mind these discussions, but sometimes you get a little exasperated with me when I'm just trying to elucidate a concept through Ra's teachings that you have a disagreement with. You can say Ra disagrees with me too but I've yet to see many quotes from Ra in your posts, let alone discussion about any of the other archetypes or even this archetype in context. You shared some quotes about "The Big Love" from other channeled entities, which of course is also important, but I'm talking about the Transformation of the Mind, which is about green-ray love. If you want to share quotes back and forth about green-ray love, I'll do that all day and accept them as valid points in our conversation. I'm not "getting the bigger picture" because I'm literally trying to talk about 1/22 of the picture.

I don't disagree with Ra's teachings really, I simply don't see it as absolute. Ra speaks of a tool by describing a way of using it.

As I see things I have been working from the same quotes you did with different interpretations. l really don't know either why you feel like reducing courting/plundering to a polarized (positive/negative) relationship takes away everything the image seeks to teach.

Ra does not govern this archetype nor is it their own, they can see a purpose to it which can differentiate in others, and both ways wouldn't negate the archetype nor talk about something unrelated to it.