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    07-22-2016, 12:14 PM (This post was last modified: 07-26-2016, 07:14 AM by unir 1. Edit Reason: "Yourslef", and "it's". I would've let "it's" slide, but "Yourslef" was embarrassing; Now added two notes. )
    (06-24-2016, 04:03 PM)SilentRey Wrote: Even more great answers, here's two more questions from me..


    I want to clarify my question about determinism conflicting with "free will." Although this isn't totally proven, and quantum physics will disagree with me, through the laws of thermodynamics/conservation of energy everything in this universe is cause-and-effect. The mysterious metaphysical consciousness part of people EXPERIENCES brain states, but has no control over/effect on brain states. Every physical being is just an extremely complex version of rocks hitting rocks, with the mystery of conscious experience as a non-interacting cherry on top. Thus, our "souls" DON'T make choices, they just experience cause-and-effect with the illusion/false belief of choice. Assuming this is true, the only way I could reconcile this type of determinism with the Law of One is if our "souls" learned through experience only, and not through true responsibility since determinism negates true choice thus negating true responsibility. Also, the whole point of creation/separation is for the creator to experience itself, so determinism (within this universe) wouldn't conflict with that goal. Do Ra's teachings contradict this absolute scientific determinism though? If so, how? This is really the only thing that I'm having trouble reconciling within the Law of One so far, since I also logically believe in this type of determinism (but am not 100% sure).


    What effect does the "heart/essence/energetic signature" of an entity have during their physical incarnation?  I suppose this also goes hand-in-hand with the determinism thing, since I don't think that the metaphysical consciousness/experience can effect brain states, but does Ra ever explain the effect of the traits of the entity/soul during the physical incarnation?

    I've read pretty much all the posts here (couldn't read fully for yours, anagogy, since I'm 9-hours sleep deprived and the mirror thing is a bit difficult for me to wrap my head around at the moment...sorry for the spotlight) and want to leave my own response.
    SilentRey, everyone else, here you have it. Something I believe is very thought out:


    I'll examine and identify key points in your post. The third sentence's notion implies already that there is a thing which is not subject to the flow of determinism; you call this thing the metaphysical consciousness. Fourth sentence expresses non-intervention of consciousness...while "in" the flow. I'm beginning to understand the concept. Had I given my answer before this post was acknowledged, you would have to had to clarify as you're doing now, for I would have neglected the understanding and offered an in-depth answer for something else. The fifth sentence -- I'm personally urged to wonder the nature of consciousness as it would be strange for something to be within the flow & boundary of determinism while...being uninvolved... I'm gathering an answer in my mind at this point, and I feel it will be satisfactory for this query. Your sixth sentence has more than one vital concept in it, which I must untangle due to my own misunderstanding; the "soul" concept is not one of concern for disentanglement for this was untangled in a previous draft, but I may write elaborating on that regard soon; in the Law of One there are no paradoxes, this would have to include that one regarding free will and scientific determinism; your point is that scientific determinism negates the existence of free-will, but in stating this you give a misunderstanding of the nature of free-will and determinism, and it is nothing to be ashamed about really. I will try my best to explain, to leave no room for vagueness or misunderstanding, but this is hardly my field:

    Take scientific determinism like the nutrient-rich soil of the Earth, for now. Only that one for now. The soil is a medium for the plant life. A seed placed in this medium shall represent free-will. Now you may take other factors necessary for plant growth into the example: the water and the sun at healthy intervals for the seedling-to-be; the water and the sun, and the soil, are each now assumed as agents of determinism. The seed germinates, a root pokes downward,  and takes whatever minerals the soil provided. This intake of minerals will affect the form and life of the plant. Likewise, outside of this example, there are particular health conditions, life circumstances far from one's control, and what you might know of as pre-incarnative choices, which have the effect of shaping the single experience of each human, just as the plant would be affected or effectively "shaped" in the example. To tighten the comparison, there may be determinists who will not accept that the plant exists in the form of what is known as "life". They will disregard the process called "life" of the plant, and emphasize the biochemical nature of the life process in order to deconstruct the notion of the "plant life" -- of course, I'm referring to free-will here. Such determinists may then propose that the soil, all possible processes of the plant (life, death, reproduction, to attempt to speak broadly), the sun, the water, and other factors or environmental circumstances usually found in the plant's life cycle are strictly agents of the cause-and-effect flow of scientific determinism. This is a simple example, not accounting for the complexities of scientific determinism but hopefully my comparison is basic enough to create a sound analogy.

    Essentially, the life of the seedling/plant in the medium of the soil, and when within an environment in which it will grow, is equivalent to a human's free-will within the substrate of predetermined causes and effects. Yes, there are factors/"agents-of-determinism" which may greatly influence one's will.

    Everything you do may be attributed to any cause and any effect. I believe a lot of us, if not all of us, make this observation daily -- naming causes or searching for them; the same for "effect(s)". But the wide selection of these -- the previously uncharted possibilities (well, have you begun charting possibilities ("effects") and the broad or perhaps even infinitesimal factors which can be called their "causes"?) created from choosing among probable outcomes; accounting for your skill-set and the external or deeply personal circumstances you face; not knowing why you're here on Earth, being inquisitive about what you should commit to; all of this summed up as the confusion of third density; these seem to generally compose a "wide selection" and in the midst of your accessible selection you are an entity with free-will. You choose. You are conscious of the experience. You may be aware of certain components, all rooted in the body and mind of your human self.

    From my draft: if scientific determinism does not state that all things are one, or if the concept does not bear a loving and unifying attitude toward all things, then it may not stand above the Law of One; rather, determinism may be considered to be a distortion at some distance from this law.

    Finally
    , the consciousness is not solely an observer experiencing the body and the [possibly] predetermined world (random varying percentiles with each outcome...hard to predetermine in one sensibly traceable way...). That, I believe, is a misunderstanding of consciousness, as its presence would be contradictory as far as it having no involvement in a "playing field" in which its own observations are created by the very same playing field or substrate. That is a key point to absorb in order to relieve oneself of the misunderstanding.

    I will be back to pickup where I left off in a new post. I've tried to be as clear as my understanding allows. Also, sorry for the Ra-accent. I'll try to smooth it out next time.

    By the way. Everything that can be predetermined is unfolding in a way that upholds karma, forgiveness (dissolution of karma), and free-will. Simultaneously. [Edit: that was way too speculative; the idea needs to be reexamined.] Mull on that if you will, might give you some more insight on determinism (if applicable to you or others) if you're willing to consider those three concepts. Consequently, the "components"/agents of predetermination, if you begin to search for them, are a bit pointless to try and manipulate, use to gamble outcomes, and other stuff. [Edit: not very pointless, can be useful to pick outcomes.] Yourself is at the core of it all. Yourself has more to offer than that stuff when you open yourself up to others.
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    10 Specific Questions - by SilentRey - 06-18-2016, 03:29 AM
    RE: 10 Specific Questions - by APeacefulWarrior - 06-18-2016, 05:24 AM
    RE: 10 Specific Questions - by SilentRey - 06-18-2016, 07:13 AM
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    RE: 10 Specific Questions - by Bring4th_Austin - 06-18-2016, 03:26 PM
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    RE: 10 Specific Questions - by Cyclops - 06-18-2016, 11:21 PM
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    RE: 10 Specific Questions - by SilentRey - 06-18-2016, 09:40 PM
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    RE: 10 Specific Questions - by anagogy - 06-24-2016, 05:22 PM
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    RE: 10 Specific Questions - by unir 1 - 07-22-2016, 12:14 PM
    RE: 10 Specific Questions - by AnthroHeart - 06-24-2016, 04:16 PM
    RE: 10 Specific Questions - by SilentRey - 06-25-2016, 07:58 PM
    RE: 10 Specific Questions - by APeacefulWarrior - 06-26-2016, 05:02 AM
    RE: 10 Specific Questions - by unir 1 - 07-22-2016, 02:07 PM
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