(10-09-2010, 12:58 AM)unity100 Wrote: when all the good intention people are gone from whatever place they were functioning, system will just start manifesting its own nature with all its bareness again, with no bumper to offset its effects.
This is the part I'd like to explore further.
As an example, when President Obama got elected, and I was watching the news coverage, I marveled, to the point of tears, at how strong the feelings were...people were rejoicing! I felt a strong sense of joy and healing in out country, and even the world.
Now this has nothing to do with whether one likes or agrees with Obama or not. It had to do with the major milestone of electing a Black president, in terms of healing for the Black community. I saw this as extremely positive, and could feel the ripples of joy and healing tangibly and palpably.
I surmised that this wave of rejoicing would elevate the country and leave a lasting benefit.
So I was a quite taken aback when the question was asked of Q'uo as to what the effects were from this positive experience. (Again, leaving political differences aside, and focusing only on the racial implications.)
To my surprise, Q'uo downplayed the effects of what I perceived as waves of rejoicing and healing, and suggested that it was temporary and had not really made much of a dent in the overall consciousness of the planet.
I was actually quite stunned at this response. If we incarnated here to raise the vibration, how could such an intense feeling shared by many millions, even if it is for only a few days, not affect the overall consciousness?
Add to the equation that we live in a holographic universe. How does this factor in? I know that my world changes as I change. But that doesn't necessarily mean it changes for others, because they are still creating their worlds with their own free wills.
So I am wondering just how we can change the system, or if it ever will be changed. Maybe it only changes for us, as we change. Maybe there are many alternate realties in the space-time continuum, some of which have a new system and others which still have the old system, still stuck in place for those who still choose it. Because, ultimately, whatever system is in place, must be a reflection of the collective free wills of the society as a whole.
With that as a presupposition (which I realize some may disagree with, as is inevitable whenever a presupposition is suggested, but of course we all have presuppositions, whether expressed or not), then the question is raised: Wouldn't the way to change the system be to help the people whose free wills are being reflected by the system?
Whether the mechanics of the system can change or not, seems to be a presupposition. It may be correct or it may be incorrect. I don't know. But, as I said, I am open to considering it.
What I am wondering is whether maybe, if true that the mechanics of it doesn't change, then how we get around that and help the people to change instead. It seems to me that if we do that, the mechanics of the system can't help but change, if our universe is truly holographic, because the system must reflect the free will of the entities.
This opens up a whole new area of discussion about the nature of the holographic universe, which might best be explored on its own thread.
(10-09-2010, 12:58 AM)unity100 Wrote: simply ; henry ford died. f.d.r. died. lincoln died. what happened ? almost exclusively, their efforts and the changes they brought were first negated by the system's nature, and then reverted back by the ones who were comfortable in this system (negative nature entities), with a few exceptions. all we have got, has been temporary reprieves until system readjusted to its nature.
Lincoln left a legacy of having eliminated slavery (although the way in which he did that, and whether that was actually his goal, has been the subject of controversy. I am choosing to trust Ra on that one.) That's huge.
I am seeing slavery as a major part of the system, that was indeed changed largely by Lincoln's efforts. Can you clarify what you are referring to by the 'system' that reverted back after he died? Are you referring specifically to the monetary system, or are you considering any social system as a system? I am seeing slavery as part of a social system that did change and didn't revert back, but continued to change even more, for the better. I'm not sure I understand you on this.