Socialism of 4D, Capitalism, Is Money STS?

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Wow, a lot to ponder!

I'm still confused about how to change it, though. You seem to imply that the Confederation entities can change it. But, do you think WE can change it? Or are you suggesting that we report back that it needs to be changed, when we return to our home density? (along with reporting that war and suffering need to go, as well as fleas on 2D animals!)

i said we cant just change it ourselves on our own. it seems as such.

confederation or wanderers en masse, maybe could have changed things, if a plan for that end was made. whether such a plan was made and in the works or not, we dont know. if it is, it is.

i dont think anything needs reporting back either. if one sees something, everyone does. of course the clarity of the link in between whatever the entity is linked to, may affect its permeability.

I'm still not sure I agree with you that the mechanic can't be changed or the energy flow can't be changed by our intentions and energies. But I really don't know. I will definitely ponder your ideas.

As always, thanks for sharing!

mechanics can be changed for sure. but if they are changed, they are not the same mechanic anymore. just, things that are not suitable/compatible with that mechanic, cant be built on such mechanics, and then expected to last. because, well, incompatible things are incompatible.

This is the part I'd like to explore further.

As an example, when President Obama got elected, and I was watching the news coverage, I marveled, to the point of tears, at how strong the feelings were...people were rejoicing! I felt a strong sense of joy and healing in out country, and even the world.

Now this has nothing to do with whether one likes or agrees with Obama or not. It had to do with the major milestone of electing a Black president, in terms of healing for the Black community. I saw this as extremely positive, and could feel the ripples of joy and healing tangibly and palpably.

I surmised that this wave of rejoicing would elevate the country and leave a lasting benefit.

So I was a quite taken aback when the question was asked of Q'uo as to what the effects were from this positive experience. (Again, leaving political differences aside, and focusing only on the racial implications.)

To my surprise, Q'uo downplayed the effects of what I perceived as waves of rejoicing and healing, and suggested that it was temporary and had not really made much of a dent in the overall consciousness of the planet.

I was actually quite stunned at this response. If we incarnated here to raise the vibration, how could such an intense feeling shared by many millions, even if it is for only a few days, not affect the overall consciousness?

isnt it the same thing again ?

something good happens. but, people will pay bills tomorrow. they will commute to work tomorrow. their kid has school payments. loans. this, that, numerous obligations. fear for their future. fear for the future of their close ones. wear, tear, all kinds of things.

combined with whatever possible traits this 3d population have accumulated from their 2d and earlier 3d experience and habits, in regard to survival, the well being of self, care of self taken to extreme etc.

also combined with the veil, reducing the effect of emotions maybe, or any connections to deeper shared experiences.

it seems to all add up.

had there been a full disclosure with sky being laden with extraterrestrial vehicles, the next morning people would still be thinking about their bills probably. with a new subject to talk around a water cooler.

possible.

Add to the equation that we live in a holographic universe. How does this factor in? I know that my world changes as I change. But that doesn't necessarily mean it changes for others, because they are still creating their worlds with their own free w

as i mentioned before, i dont buy that 'holographic' universe business. i think, all consciousness is connected. noone can create an entire reality with entities having free will in it, totally on their own will. all consciousness is connected, and reality is created together, this is what i think.

So I am wondering just how we can change the system, or if it ever will be changed. Maybe it only changes for us, as we change. Maybe there are many alternate realties in the space-time continuum, some of which have a new system and others which still have the old system, still stuck in place for those who still choose it. Because, ultimately, whatever system is in place, must be a reflection of the collective free wills of the society as a whole.

my opinion with reality changing or changing one's reality is, it happens with limitations.

by willing it and desiring it truly and strongly, an entity may effect a change in its reality. but, the amount and nature of change, would have to be compatible with the entity's own overall violet balance/nature, and the balance/nature of the reality that entity is 'migrating' to. there may be the consideration of the reality entity is leaving too, but this matter is a detailed matter, and it needs debating.

of course, if the entity changes its violet balance/nature, then, this would make the entity fit for another reality too. its another factor.

i say by strongly willing something it is possible entity may change its reality gradually. but, jumps, i think, are probably either impossible, or rare.

With that as a presupposition (which I realize some may disagree with, as is inevitable whenever a presupposition is suggested, but of course we all have presuppositions, whether expressed or not), then the question is raised: Wouldn't the way to change the system be to help the people whose free wills are being reflected by the system?

Whether the mechanics of the system can change or not, seems to be a presupposition. It may be correct or it may be incorrect. I don't know. But, as I said, I am open to considering it.

What I am wondering is whether maybe, if true that the mechanics of it doesn't change, then how we get around that and help the people to change instead. It seems to me that if we do that, the mechanics of the system can't help but change, if our universe is truly holographic, because the system must reflect the free will of the entities.

This opens up a whole new area of discussion about the nature of the holographic universe, which might best be explored on its own thread.

if entities keep attaching to existing system, it wont change. if they want it to change, the system, will have to change.

Lincoln left a legacy of having eliminated slavery (although the way in which he did that, and whether that was actually his goal, has been the subject of controversy. I am choosing to trust Ra on that one.) That's huge.

huge. yet, 90 years later there is rosa parks incident.

it is still debatable that, discrimination has ended.

I am seeing slavery as a major part of the system, that was indeed changed largely by Lincoln's efforts. Can you clarify what you are referring to by the 'system' that reverted back after he died? Are you referring specifically to the monetary system, or are you considering any social system as a system? I am seeing slavery as part of a social system that did change and didn't revert back, but continued to change even more, for the better. I'm not sure I understand you on this.

with a few exceptions, i meant the slavery. however it is also debatable that lincoln ended slavery, because slavery was banned in a lot of countries up to that point already. america was just straggling.

and even with that, what i suggested in the above block also apply. even so much that, in a parallel example, brasilian slaveholders found the way to continue slavery as it is, by using monopolies and financial system to exploit slaves with only a little reprieve from before. it also has been as such in america.

and in grand scale, yes, everyone ended up being slaves of the system in the end, that was something i have expressed before.