Socialism of 4D, Capitalism, Is Money STS?

[Monica]

i said we cant just change it ourselves on our own. it seems as such.

confederation or wanderers en masse, maybe could have changed things, if a plan for that end was made. whether such a plan was made and in the works or not, we dont know. if it is, it is.

Well, there is a huge movement gaining momentum in the area of referral marketing. It's not eliminating the money system. I agree with you that, ultimately, the goal would be to eliminate the money system (like in Star Trek's vision of the future).

But that would be a huge, radical change. Referral marketing might be a step in that direction. Referral marketing is decidedly of mixed polarity at best, because it still relies on money. However, it has a philosophy of cooperation rather than corporation. (Interesting how these completely opposite terms have only 1 letter different!)

It's all about putting the money into the hands of average, everyday people who care about others, instead of the ruthless, greedy corporations who are short-sighted and poisoning the planet.

At its best, referral marketing can be a beautiful thing. I've seen people come together with a common goal to help many others. In order for the concept to work, people must work together, rather than competing with one another.

I think I understand your viewpoint, so I realize you might not consider it any different, since it still has money at its core.

But in the context of having to live in the current society, since we do have physical needs, it is a perhaps less competition-based model than the corporate model.

Although, of course, just as religions can attract STS entities as well as STO, so too can referral marketing attract those who are greedy. But for those who have needs or the vision to help others, it is a way to reduce feeding the corporate money machine, and put more into the hands of the common people, given our current constraints with the money system. Since we must play the game to some degree in order to survive, this is a way to get our needs met while perhaps taking a baby step towards eventually changing the system.

i dont think anything needs reporting back either. if one sees something, everyone does. of course the clarity of the link in between whatever the entity is linked to, may affect its permeability.

What you just said, is how I view the holographic UniVerse. I don't see it as a single entity creating an entire universe centered around them. I see it as a means for us all to affect one another.

mechanics can be changed for sure. but if they are changed, they are not the same mechanic anymore. just, things that are not suitable/compatible with that mechanic, cant be built on such mechanics, and then expected to last. because, well, incompatible things are incompatible.

Superficial aspects of the mechanic can be changed, which might, over time, lead to the core being changed, when the people are ready for it to be changed.

isnt it the same thing again ?

something good happens. but, people will pay bills tomorrow. they will commute to work tomorrow. their kid has school payments. loans. this, that, numerous obligations. fear for their future. fear for the future of their close ones. wear, tear, all kinds of things.

combined with whatever possible traits this 3d population have accumulated from their 2d and earlier 3d experience and habits, in regard to survival, the well being of self, care of self taken to extreme etc.

also combined with the veil, reducing the effect of emotions maybe, or any connections to deeper shared experiences.

it seems to all add up.

had there been a full disclosure with sky being laden with extraterrestrial vehicles, the next morning people would still be thinking about their bills probably. with a new subject to talk around a water cooler.

possible.

I do see a lot of change, in my neck of the woods. I see people awakening. Even people who were very rigid fundamentalists, waking up! It's a joy to behold.

I agree that the system causes a lot of seemingly unnecessary stress and suffering. I don't like it either. But I don't agree that nothing ever changes. I am seeing changes. For now, while we are here, we must do what we can to nurture those changes.

as i mentioned before, i dont buy that 'holographic' universe business. i think, all consciousness is connected. noone can create an entire reality with entities having free will in it, totally on their own will. all consciousness is connected, and reality is created together, this is what i think.

I agree. When I refer to a holographic UniVerse, I am referring to our ability to connect and thus affect one another, which I believe is very powerful.

my opinion with reality changing or changing one's reality is, it happens with limitations.

by willing it and desiring it truly and strongly, an entity may effect a change in its reality. but, the amount and nature of change, would have to be compatible with the entity's own overall violet balance/nature, and the balance/nature of the reality that entity is 'migrating' to. there may be the consideration of the reality entity is leaving too, but this matter is a detailed matter, and it needs debating.

of course, if the entity changes its violet balance/nature, then, this would make the entity fit for another reality too. its another factor.

i say by strongly willing something it is possible entity may change its reality gradually. but, jumps, i think, are probably either impossible, or rare.

I agree overall but would add to that, that as we connect with and affect one another, one entity's realizations/breakthroughs/enlightenment can ripple out to others, which can trigger a sudden massive shift.

Is it probable? No, but ever possible.

if entities keep attaching to existing system, it wont change. if they want it to change, the system, will have to change.

True. But in order to change the system, people first have to realize that the system needs changing. That is the first step.

Lincoln left a legacy of having eliminated slavery (although the way in which he did that, and whether that was actually his goal, has been the subject of controversy. I am choosing to trust Ra on that one.) That's huge.

huge. yet, 90 years later there is rosa parks incident.

it is still debatable that, discrimination has ended.

Discrimination hasn't ended. That's for sure. But, we are obviously making huge progress. We now have a black president. That could not have happened even 20 years ago.

I know a lot of people who are still very racist and this racism came out of the closet when our president got elected. I was shocked to learn that my own brothers are racist! Having a black president has provided catalyst for them, so that they can deal with that aspect of themselves. Some of them seem to be coming to terms with it, while others seem to be sinking further down into hatred, thus polarizing STS (at least it appears so to me, as an observer).

with a few exceptions, i meant the slavery. however it is also debatable that lincoln ended slavery, because slavery was banned in a lot of countries up to that point already. america was just straggling.

True. Slavery is a good example of a system being changed, over time and in gradual, incremental steps, as people evolved to the point of realizing that it was wrong. It still does exist, but in pockets of the world, not as a whole. At least not blatantly. Society as a whole is disgusted by something that, just a couple of hundred years ago, was considered acceptable by 'educated' people.

I realize that, in a sense, the monetary system promotes a type of slavery. I don't deny that. But for the point I am currently making, I am referring to the blatant 'ownership' of another person. That system has changed for the most part.

and even with that, what i suggested in the above block also apply. even so much that, in a parallel example, brasilian slaveholders found the way to continue slavery as it is, by using monopolies and financial system to exploit slaves with only a little reprieve from before. it also has been as such in america.

True. But in pockets of society, not as a whole. It has not yet been eradicated, but society has certainly made tremendous progress. As long as entities live in 3D, there will always be STS entities who find a way to get around whatever system is in place.

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and, the cost i have been considering, includes every kind of cost regarding to the physical manifestation of the concept, including overheads, depreciation this, that.

if we get into energy business, it becomes more complex, however against the concept of profit -> by giving health to 1 million entities, the entity will have enabled 1 million entities to manifest fully, and these entities would energize the planet with their activity and energy, and it would affect everything in the end, including, the general energy situation of the entity producing that treatment. that is, not even counting the positive energy that will manifest towards that entity, in the form of gratitude.

if we count these in, that entity would have taken not only the light, wisdom side of the aspect, the mechanic, but also will have received these. so, it will benefit even further, not even offsetting the negative flow in regard to mechanic.

I disagree on this point. Not because you're wrong, because you might be right, but because I don't think we can quantify the end result. We don't have all the data. It is measurable, in the same way that walking the steps of Light is measurable, but we are not currently in the position to be able to measure it. Thus, we can only speculate as to what the net value would be.

So I don't necessarily disagree with your speculation. I just disagree that we can conclusively say what the net result is. We can only speculate.

your situation seems to be one set up for wisdom. there is someone you cant leave be, for service, you need to acquire resources to be able to continue that service, and render the service.

but, during the process, you need to be wise, and minimize any kind of undesirable physical and spiritual side effects of all these acts, as much as you can. for that, you need to be aware and wise, you should not exonerate, beautify, internalize and ignore anything. but instead should be aware of them, and undertake their burden as much as needed, but not more, according to your own particular view and desire of purity and your particular path. if, you find any way to perform what you aim without shouldering a negative burden, you should consider attempting it, and bring it up with your inner resources, spiritual circle. these all depend on your own path of fate of course.

however, if you are at the level of being aware of something, and you become aware of that thing and its nature, you should be aware of it, nomatter what. it is what it is. things are what they are. having the knowledge of things and dance, and acting accordingly is the way of wisdom. if one is approaching balance from love point, this would be needed.

accepting something as it is would not mean being oblivious to its nature.

Given your views on the monetary system, this is a compassionate response. Regardless of whether you are correct about the inherent STS nature of the monetary system, it is a fact that we are currently immersed in it, and must participate, to some degree, in order to survive as well as help others.

I agree on the point that it is wisdom to recognize the nature of something, even if we must, for whatever reason, still participate in it.

We must each decide for ourselves how to best navigate the system, being that we are immersed in it. We all have differing needs as well as resources, and individual catalyst must also be taken into consideration.

For myself personally, while in agreement with you regarding the inherent nature of the monetary system, I am choosing to participate in what I consider a more highly evolved version of it, in the form of a cooperative referral marketing system, as a means to accomplish what I consider a greater good, which is helping people to heal.