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    10-11-2010, 08:10 PM
    (10-11-2010, 01:56 AM)Lavazza Wrote: I have a thought that may tie in well to the concept of suffering, and if there is merit to this thought as I think there may be, there could be interesting implications for our collective understandings. I can reduce it to a question, that being: "What's the hurry?" As I recall from reading through the LOO books, Ra described the conditions prior to the veiling as extremely sluggish at the 3rd density stage of development. Because it was known that all is one, there was little impetus to polarize strongly in one direction or the other. But, but, but... there is an implication in this that a shorter amount of time spent in 3rd density is some how more desirable than a longer time (or less number of 3rd d. cycles being better than more). But... why?

    Interesting question, Lavazza. As I understand it, the reason is that the Logoi were trying to design the richest experience possible for the Creator. I posted this quote in another thread, but it seems relevant here, too:

    Quote:90.16 Questioner: What was the ultimate objective of this Logos in designing the archetypical mind as It did?

    Ra: I am Ra. Each Logos desires to create a more eloquent expression of experience of the Creator by the Creator. The archetypical mind is intended to heighten this ability to express the Creator in patterns more like the fanned peacock’s tail, each facet of the Creator vivid, upright, and shining with articulated beauty.

    Contrast this with Ra's description of third-density experience before the veil:

    Quote:82.18 Questioner: Then prior to the forgetting process there was no concept of anything but service-to-others polarization. What sort of societies and experiences in third-density were created and evolved in this condition?

    Ra: I am Ra. It is our perception that such conditions created the situation of a most pallid experiential nexus in which lessons were garnered with the relative speed of the turtle to the cheetah.

    There does seem to be a value judgment here: vivid is better than pallid, but I guess it's one I agree with.

    (10-11-2010, 01:56 AM)Lavazza Wrote: If I were to not graduate to either camp of service at the end of this cycle, or at the end of the next 10,000 cycles, would it make much difference? What would happen to my soul, surely my cosmic batteries will not expire? Or am I in some way racing to keep up with the lifespan of the galactic logos, hoping to have evolved before it "dies" at the end of it's long, tens of billions of years long life? I would probably be transferred to some other galaxy I should suppose, but if I am determined to persist in my folly until the end of that galaxy, what then?

    I've wondered about this, too. Ra says that the "absorption into the One Creator continues until all the infinity of creations have attained sufficient spiritual mass in order that all form once again the great central sun, if you would so imagine it, of the intelligent infinity awaiting potentiation by free will." What happens at that point to those who are still in first, second, third, etc. densities? Or does the coalescence wait until all have attained sufficient spiritual mass (which Ra associates elsewhere with reaching the gateway density)?

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    Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Quantum - 10-05-2010, 11:18 AM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Aaron - 10-05-2010, 11:49 AM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Quantum - 10-05-2010, 12:36 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by ricdaw - 10-05-2010, 12:59 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by LsavedSmeD - 10-05-2010, 12:03 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Turtle - 10-05-2010, 12:49 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Aaron - 10-05-2010, 01:03 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Quantum - 10-05-2010, 03:04 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by ricdaw - 10-05-2010, 07:52 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Lavazza - 10-11-2010, 01:56 AM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by βαθμιαίος - 10-11-2010, 08:10 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Lavazza - 10-12-2010, 11:15 AM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by unity100 - 10-13-2010, 07:04 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Quantum - 10-13-2010, 11:13 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Lavazza - 10-13-2010, 11:30 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Turtle - 10-14-2010, 08:37 AM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Aaron - 10-06-2010, 04:28 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Steppingfeet - 10-05-2010, 03:11 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Quantum - 10-05-2010, 05:23 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Etude in B Minor - 10-05-2010, 09:43 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Questioner - 10-06-2010, 11:46 AM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Namaste - 10-06-2010, 06:50 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by unity100 - 10-07-2010, 09:54 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by βαθμιαίος - 10-07-2010, 10:10 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by unity100 - 10-08-2010, 06:34 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by βαθμιαίος - 10-08-2010, 11:32 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by unity100 - 10-09-2010, 12:47 AM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by βαθμιαίος - 10-09-2010, 09:48 AM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by unity100 - 10-09-2010, 06:17 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by 3D Sunset - 10-09-2010, 10:25 AM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by unity100 - 10-09-2010, 08:51 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Experience You - 10-09-2010, 07:33 PM
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    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by βαθμιαίος - 10-09-2010, 10:40 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by unity100 - 10-09-2010, 11:04 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by βαθμιαίος - 10-09-2010, 11:11 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by unity100 - 10-09-2010, 11:32 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by βαθμιαίος - 10-10-2010, 11:22 AM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by unity100 - 10-11-2010, 07:24 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by unity100 - 10-13-2010, 11:33 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Quantum - 10-14-2010, 12:25 AM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by unity100 - 10-14-2010, 01:44 AM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Ali Quadir - 10-14-2010, 09:33 AM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by unity100 - 10-14-2010, 02:06 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Turtle - 10-14-2010, 03:23 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Ali Quadir - 10-14-2010, 06:23 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by 3D Sunset - 10-14-2010, 10:57 AM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Ali Quadir - 10-14-2010, 11:44 AM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Lavazza - 10-14-2010, 12:39 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by unity100 - 10-14-2010, 04:58 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Quantum - 10-15-2010, 02:10 AM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Quantum - 10-15-2010, 03:42 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by unity100 - 10-14-2010, 07:56 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Ali Quadir - 10-15-2010, 04:36 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by unity100 - 10-15-2010, 05:23 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Quantum - 10-15-2010, 06:27 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by unity100 - 10-15-2010, 07:14 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Quantum - 10-15-2010, 08:27 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Ali Quadir - 10-15-2010, 06:32 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by unity100 - 10-15-2010, 08:53 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Quantum - 10-15-2010, 10:31 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Crimson - 10-15-2010, 11:00 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Quantum - 10-15-2010, 11:37 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Crimson - 10-16-2010, 12:24 AM
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    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by unity100 - 10-17-2010, 01:51 AM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Ali Quadir - 10-17-2010, 06:48 AM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by unity100 - 10-17-2010, 06:56 AM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Ali Quadir - 10-17-2010, 11:36 AM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Ali Quadir - 10-16-2010, 08:33 AM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by βαθμιαίος - 10-17-2010, 10:05 AM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by unity100 - 10-17-2010, 10:09 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by βαθμιαίος - 10-17-2010, 11:40 PM
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    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Quantum - 10-18-2010, 12:35 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by βαθμιαίος - 10-19-2010, 07:26 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by unity100 - 10-20-2010, 12:17 AM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by βαθμιαίος - 10-20-2010, 11:15 AM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Lavazza - 10-20-2010, 02:48 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by unity100 - 10-20-2010, 11:24 PM
    RE: Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself? - by Quantum - 10-21-2010, 12:31 PM
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