10-14-2010, 03:47 AM
(10-14-2010, 01:42 AM)Questioner Wrote: Yet if unity100's mantra is true, then the very act of making the profit, of seeking the profit and of accepting the profit, closes the green ray of open-hearted loving compassion, by forcing my customers to suffer.
firstly, you are confusing the wisdom part of the event, with love part of the event. or, the mechanics part of the event, with the energy part of the event.
there is no direct correlation in between these. one is pertaining to mind, one is pertaining to energy.
regardless of how much your heart chakra is open, a mechanic of the mind, a construct of wisdom, will act in the manner and nature it has. if it is negative, it will keep being negative. this is an emotionless matter. because, it is not related to emotion. a mechanic is created, and it acts according to the nature it is programmed to.
and, also you are, naturally, as a result of the above, intermixing the mechanic, with results of your actions.
i have actually iterated these in response to monica :
your actions' results, may result in a net increase of any kind of higher energy, vibration, emotion you desire to seek. the effect of the mechanic can be offset with any kind of other input. in the end, events and states and results do not get formed with just one factor.
but, this still wont change how the mechanic acts. even if you put 1000 units of love and compassion and energy and whatnot into what you are doing and it creates 10000 units of the same result or even better, if the mechanic is contrary to what you are aiming, and it has, say, (with an exaggerated downplaying) 5 units of negative effect, it will STILL do that negative effect. it wont change its nature.
that is wisdom. it may sound brutally robotic, unforgiving, emotionless.
it is. it has no negative or positive emotion associated with it. it is just a mechanic. and it acts according to its nature. if it is a negative construct, it creates a negative end result. it can be offset, however, it will work it is intended. if it is a positive construct, it will act to generate a positive result.
Quote:Now here is where we get to the core of my vigorous disagreement with unity100's point of view. I continue to be stunned and shocked by u100's insistence that any form of profit is a form of oppressive evil. I believe this position is a matter of religious faith, which does not hold up to logical scrutiny and is not necessary for a person who seeks to follow the Law of One on a positive path of service to others. I believe the implications of this position, if followed to its logical conclusion, are extraordinarily evil in practice; and that these implications are seldom followed to their logical conclusions.
i will use this block to reply to rest of your post, for, what i see is, you have reiterated same points, which i have replied to you in the last long post, with the same emotions and arguments.
what i am describing, is something relevant to purity and delicate wisdom. they may or may not be attainable in a given situation. they may be too delicate considerations, for a quite imbalanced society, or planet. however, they are considerations.
the first is about purity : the purest form of activity in this octave, is radiation of entirety of one's own self, without taking anything back. this is not just energetic. it is also mental. social, whatever aspect can be attributed to existence. actually, as this state is approached, it is impossible to separate one from another, for the energetic has to follow the mental, and mental has to follow the energetic activity and be in sync.
in that respect, taking anything back, even if for a good cause, through the mechanic of profit, becomes impure.
that is the extreme end of this consideration. the aim is quite high here. something that is going towards very high density principles. the planet we are in, is very 'worldly' at this moment, socially, quite far from even 4d standards.
yet, if the aim is high, where the arrow hits will also be similarly high.
however, since the circumstances this society is in, is only as what we all know, it is slight chance that the arrow will hit anywhere near the bullseye.
in short, you will have to do business if you live in this current societal system, you will have to fight if you are forced to join a war, or die, you will have to produce harmful gases to the atmosphere if you have to use technology, you will have to go to wc and take a dump and create very low frequency 1d material, if you want to even exist on this planet.
these, are among the burdens one accepts when incarnating in such a planet.
however there being such burdens, does not mean that one shouldnt aim as pure as possible.
but more importantly, such burdens being there, does NOT mean that, and should not mean that, one would have to, or desire to internalize them, and 'somehow', justify them as pure concepts, or exonerate them from their nature.
they are what they are. having to deal with them, does not change their nature. neither does it make one 'evil', or 'sends to hell'. however, internalizing and rationalizing and accepting them into one's inner biases, would be harmful to the positive, or balanced path.
just thinking whether 'profit' or 'ownership' or 'corporation' can have any place in positive 4, 5d, or 6d, gives one the answer.
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then there is the wisdom consideration of the concept. yes, you may cause a billion smiles pop up in the faces of a billion kids, yes, you may donate ALL the profit you get into charities. but, that wont change the fact that there is a profit making organization, and you are making profit.
this is a consideration of delicate wisdom. again, rather on the extreme side, like the purity concern regarding this subject. but, it is present, just like the other.
what happens when everyone profits ? what happens when someone gladly, willingly pay you a profit by being thrilled, and be very very happy about it ? what happens when that person has to pay a profit to everyone he deals with, even if he willingly does it and very happy with the situation ?
eventually his resources will dry out. because, everyone takes more than they give.
it doesnt matter how you value what is given - if, what is given is valued very low, monetarily (ignoring the happiness, energy, this that aspects), then the 'market' will be valued as such, and all the conduct will be valued as such. if, the 'thousands of smiles on children's faces' factor is counted in, and the product is valued as such, everyone will be valuing their products, services as such, and the market will be valued, in entirety, as such. prices will just increase, along with whatever income there is for everyone.
but, the profit situation will still wont change in the end -> regardless of how the market is valued, everyone makes more than they generate.
so then. where does those extra profits everyone make, come from ?
lets say there is X amount of total worth of goods, services, thousands of smiles generated.
and the entire system is built on profit, and, ( lets make up a percentage of profit like, %5), the system does 5% in total.
where does that profit come from ?
lets make it a closed system, and have 100 entities. lets say, these 100 entities generate 1 units of 'smiles' each. a total of 100 units of smiles generated. but, all entities ask for 5% profit for what they are giving.
where will the 5% more, come from ? where will the extra 5 units of smiles, come from, into this system ?
someone will have to give it. it wont materialize from thin air.
in the most ideal situation, either those entities would have to work more, to generate that 5% more, and then, because they had worked more, they would similarly ask 5% more for the 5% more they had to pay into the entire system, and just continually increase the prices in the entire system that way. a self destructive spiral for asking more, having to create more, reciprocating each other.
in another situation, some entities wouldnt have any needs from the system at a given point, others would, so that part of the society would carry the burden of 5% more.
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of course, the above examples assume that everyone acts in the same manner; for the good of everyone, donating, giving what they make, and creating a thousand smiles.
even if there is ONE entity, that is not doing that in that system, due to the mechanic of profit, that entity will keep accruing more and more, eclipsing all others, and become much more powerful than others, due to the nature of 'ownership' system. because the entity now commands more resources than others, he has more power than others. and, he can do what he wants with those resources.
this is the summary of how capitalist system, with ownership and profit, skews democracies. it doesnt matter politically everyone has equal rights and vote or not - the ones with the most resources, make the candidate and the rule.
The above is the perfect example to the 'big picture' aspect of the wisdom concern of this thing. no kind of goodwill exerted by 200 year wanderer wave, or any other influence, has been able to offset it.
even though the ideals of freedom and equality the wanderers like jefferson, franklin et al brought have seemed to stuck at first, eventually they were all undone, through the system's mechanic :
golden rule : the one with the gold makes the rule. or, at least, shapes into what is desired. if anyone has more gold than others, then it means, s/he has more power than others. if, any of those with that amount of gold, are not people with good hearts, everything goes down. because, using their power, they can offset and undo those who have equal power with them and good of heart, and then dominate all the rest.
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these are not 'mantra' or 'religious convictions'. these are what everyone discusses in all forums regarding life on this planet. this even includes this forum, its various subforums regrading the life on this planet. everyone complains from it. everyone hates it.
yet, everyone, conveniently or because of conditioning through media and propaganda, misses what mechanic underlies it. as long as they keep doing this, the plight will continue.
the various private interests that have accumulated regrading any given field of life, will keep trying to monopolize and exploit that field of life - the 'insurance industry' will keep trying to exploit patients, block anything detrimental to their interests, the 'finance industry' will keep trying to make money with taking minimum risks, even if that leads to extreme bubbles and total crash of the system, even if it takes playing with papers and creating water vapor assets and frauding the society, the military complex will keep trying to start wars to profit at the cost of people's lives, the private education sector will keep trying to monopolize best teachers, discourage public schools so that they can make more profit, energy sector will try to prevent zero energy vehicles so they will still be able to profit ... examples are endless. name your pick.
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as long as there are ones supporting it, the system will keep working. and it will prevent anyone from leaving it, through the means it has.
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what perspective i am offering, is the knowledge and awareness of the situation, as it is. depicting everything as they are. and, working through them consciously, by aiming for maximum purity, and balancing love and wisdom.
from the way you react, actually, it is easy to tell that you were already aware of these concerns, even before this topic has come up.
this, from the proceedings of this discussion, seems to be a perfect case of balancing love and wisdom. everyone has their own balancing to do.
as for myself, even taking money for what work im doing disturbs me, however, i have balanced it, and learned to carry the burden of what i cannot balance, while striving for highest purity.
i am not telling what i would do, if i were in your shoes, because, that is your life, your situation, your balancing to do. this is why, i have mentioned about myself in the above block.
as a final word, i see this as a matter of balancing. this, is 'it'.