09-09-2016, 10:27 AM
Edit to add to previous post (highlight to read): (by "collide" I do not mean "conflict", but I meant to express there is an encounter of two things.
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I see where your drawing your conclusion from now. Service-to-others in this the yellow-ray density, in my firm opinion, is not about how far you will sacrifice yourself. ... Though, your experiences in life thus far, the circumstances you've gone through, may have accentuated such thinking.
Such thinking, in my opinion, is the bane of full and sincere service-to-others.
It isn't bad to test your will, to strengthen it, but there is the possibility to live in a harsh environment which rejects the self and thus makes it unnecessarily difficult to progress "spiritually". However, no matter what has been chosen, what course you're set to, an experience is granted. In my own life, I was handed suffering while doing my attempt to be a martyr for others. If I look back to it, I can pick up some insights and learn a lot from what had happened, but it is hard to recover it at this point. Experience which destroys your ability to think properly, to sleep right, to understand reality...I cannot see it as being useful. If you wish to be a martyr, I caution you to at least tend to yourself so as not to fall into deterioration. Or else, how else will that task be done?
But service-to-others, as I've understood it, is a commitment which comes naturally. The percentages of service are almost meaningless. They can be seen as indicators but are "statistical in nature" to use a Ra quote. What of significance would they indicate? What must be shone with your focus is yourself in reflection: your actions, your feelings, your life, your thoughts, your day, your night, your opinions, your judgements, your memories, your thoughts on life, your intents, your goals, your desires, your curiosity, your interests, etc. These are not indicated by percentages, obviously. A lot of what you can gain from these should be solidified into your life. With constant distraction, if you take such a path, little-to-nothing will be cemented. With meditation however...with the desire to meditate on that which is yours....with a community, or friends, who set down experiences as a foundation for yourself, who vivify aspects of yourself, you may progress faster.
With teachers, with students, with those who are willing to share their experiences and normalize the sharing of experiences...this will help.
From Ra (19.13):
I cannot teach you what I don't know. This is what I've learned, and if it's wrong then the course is clear; an inevitable grasp of the mistake is bound to me, and an appropriate, and quite inevitable lesson is in my sight. There would be nothing else hidden in that matter that I could grasp.
The yellow-ray density: this is it. Every feeling, every thought, which you possess is of third-density. (63.32)
The energy or vibration which you might say composes your self-awareness is third-density as well; it is the yellow-ray energy.
The body complex is made of the stuff of the density in which a mind/body/spirit complex inhabits. (30.2)
Since almost all of us humans are mainly and initially self-aware of....(in other words, experiencing yellow-ray energy)...the orange-ray and red-ray, we have a physical, chemical body.
To reject those things which are of yourself, is to walk away from acceptance. Life experience may have driven you to do this already. I'll speak generally with the attainment of my own experience. Each of us will have our own reasoning for what we choose to reject and lay focus on, and each of us will have made a decision, be it full of conviction or not, on what we deem is service (if this applies). Like I'm doing now, focusing on elaborating on something which is beginning to digress on your points. (hmm....)
Reasoning such as "all is one".....it depends what is meant.
To have spoken the phrase not *very* useful to others, in my opinion. It may serve as a mantra for one to repeat or keep in mind in order to enter a trance state, or to access different thoughts/ways of thinking, or access a deeper state of consciousness like many objects of focus might also do. So saying it to others may serve as a reminder.
It may be a point upon which one may speculate the nature of the universe. So it may be a starting point for discussion on philosophical matters, or even for discussing what Ra might've been thinking or might've experienced, and more.
But not all selves desire the same service. Not all selves desire the same "type" or orientation of service either.
But in this density...
In life, assuming you are allowed choices, you choose among the selection which is your yellow-ray experience.
You exercise choice upon that which is a result of your self-awareness. To use the phrase "all is one" in reasoning or speech without understanding it, desiring to understand it, or serving oneself or other self as a result of its use, makes it totally impractical.
To reason that "all is one" may be due to the person in question coming to a finale in their reasoning, a conclusion.
If it is possible in this density to reason such a statement, what would this reasoning offer? The same message when it was delivered by Ra, was accompanied with quite an interesting perspective on life.
But in itself, the statement is a mystery. As such, it is as useful to me as is any thing that I have no clue I am unaware of. It remains out of grasp, and thus it is *useless* alone.
The statement, by itself, does not apply to what we possess immediately ahead of us to do.
1.) Wisdom and understanding are gained by experiences which, for us, approach our self-awareness. So yes, they only apply as they apply in yellow-ray. Everything does, in the same regard. We are in this density.
2.) The meaning of the phrase which appears after the colon is not clear to me.
We are certainly not all in one body. So there is other, and "I". There is polarity as result, for a long long time; in densities beyond our own, polarity (positive, negative) exists.
If you mean that we are all energized in a way that causes us to separate ourselves from each other, generate disharmony and conflict, then I'll say that such a condition is a potential of the yellow-ray energy, not it's essence.
When the yellow-ray energy center is clear, the entity with such an unblocked, cleared energy center will hope for an other self's peace, joy, and comfort (102.11).
This implies the energy center is blocked in other circumstances (particularly a social "field" regarding other-selves) such as when an entity is inclined to manipulate others and have power over others; the entity would have a blocked of the yellow-ray energy center in that case. In a more relevant example, an entity with a blocked yellow-ray energy center would be working with "group energies" and could thus drive a group to act bellicose toward another group in feeling that the other group must be dominated (32.2, 41.14) .
This is not the essence of yellow-ray, but yellow-ray energy is at the heart of these acts as it is said by Ra.
I addressed the first part of this. Time to end my post.
The energy which you apprehend, whatever it is, can be used however you wish. Your use and experience is what's important.
Skillful use may be such that one achieves easily what they intended to achieve, but skill doesn't [usually] appear over night.
A not-so skilled used invites unseen consequences which is natural of course.
Limiting oneself to small area of expertise enables oneself to more quickly be aware of what less there is to manage. Such is the way for those who neglect much of their experience, knowingly or unknowingly. All in due time. Each experience is appropriate for each entity. There is choice too.
The energy which you talk about...hmmm, which you say need be used for self-sacrifice in order to learn "love"...
Yes, act. Experience. If you wish to learn love, it is not solely about self-sacrifice. I mentioned this somewhere, earlier (again, this is my account on it). But if you believe your description truly describes love, then haven't you already learned it?
To "accept what is" -- I take this to mean that you would do nothing.
All your energy is generated from within yourself, pretty much. The energy centers, while I'm on this subject, provide their own distinct energy but you may reject this/them; you may accept them also, it's a choice. It falls onto one's way of thinking and capacity to progress out of any baffled flow of energy centers which in such a state will muddy the others, and one's way of thinking/behaving, and thereby close them off; potentially, this could damage the physical body and even cause experiences to repeat again and again, because one's reactions to them do not change. Penetrating energies from one higher center while being stuck in the blocked energy of others accomplishes the same detrimental effect. But again, it lies on what you think, your way of thinking. This fate is in your hands. In some cases, it may be shattered all over the ground, or reduced to a puddle, so to speak. These are hardships.
But back on topic, energy is generated from yourself even if you focus on what's happening around you. What matters, in that case, is what you get out of that object of focus. If your mind is "turned off" as you sit and watch the world unfold....or even if your thinking is on repeat, that ought to scream "here is the result of your thought/action. This is the energy as it is processed by you."
Focus on what's happening around you, or do not. The "energy" is your own.
What you talk about also outlines a strong will, as I interpret it.
That reminds me of those people who are quite devout in their given religion, who will serve their fellow human as guided by their religious principles.
Anyways, that's all I have for your post right now. Thanks for starting the thread.
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Quote: So for Harvest... all of our "service to others" to 51% or more is only measurable in terms of the yellow ray. Therefore reasoning such as "All is one" does not apply. Wisdom and understanding do not apply, except in terms of the yellow ray: the energy of separation from other. The yellow ray teaches us the lessons of giving to one and taking from another.
I see where your drawing your conclusion from now. Service-to-others in this the yellow-ray density, in my firm opinion, is not about how far you will sacrifice yourself. ... Though, your experiences in life thus far, the circumstances you've gone through, may have accentuated such thinking.
Such thinking, in my opinion, is the bane of full and sincere service-to-others.
It isn't bad to test your will, to strengthen it, but there is the possibility to live in a harsh environment which rejects the self and thus makes it unnecessarily difficult to progress "spiritually". However, no matter what has been chosen, what course you're set to, an experience is granted. In my own life, I was handed suffering while doing my attempt to be a martyr for others. If I look back to it, I can pick up some insights and learn a lot from what had happened, but it is hard to recover it at this point. Experience which destroys your ability to think properly, to sleep right, to understand reality...I cannot see it as being useful. If you wish to be a martyr, I caution you to at least tend to yourself so as not to fall into deterioration. Or else, how else will that task be done?
But service-to-others, as I've understood it, is a commitment which comes naturally. The percentages of service are almost meaningless. They can be seen as indicators but are "statistical in nature" to use a Ra quote. What of significance would they indicate? What must be shone with your focus is yourself in reflection: your actions, your feelings, your life, your thoughts, your day, your night, your opinions, your judgements, your memories, your thoughts on life, your intents, your goals, your desires, your curiosity, your interests, etc. These are not indicated by percentages, obviously. A lot of what you can gain from these should be solidified into your life. With constant distraction, if you take such a path, little-to-nothing will be cemented. With meditation however...with the desire to meditate on that which is yours....with a community, or friends, who set down experiences as a foundation for yourself, who vivify aspects of yourself, you may progress faster.
With teachers, with students, with those who are willing to share their experiences and normalize the sharing of experiences...this will help.
From Ra (19.13):
Quote:Dealing with the self without other-selves is akin to living without what you would call mirrors. Thus, the self cannot see the fruits of its beingness.This is extremely relevant to what I'm talking about. Be aware of yourself. Others shine the light on it so that you see. What you feel about it all, is something you may wish to work with/on.
I cannot teach you what I don't know. This is what I've learned, and if it's wrong then the course is clear; an inevitable grasp of the mistake is bound to me, and an appropriate, and quite inevitable lesson is in my sight. There would be nothing else hidden in that matter that I could grasp.
The yellow-ray density: this is it. Every feeling, every thought, which you possess is of third-density. (63.32)
The energy or vibration which you might say composes your self-awareness is third-density as well; it is the yellow-ray energy.
The body complex is made of the stuff of the density in which a mind/body/spirit complex inhabits. (30.2)
Since almost all of us humans are mainly and initially self-aware of....(in other words, experiencing yellow-ray energy)...the orange-ray and red-ray, we have a physical, chemical body.
To reject those things which are of yourself, is to walk away from acceptance. Life experience may have driven you to do this already. I'll speak generally with the attainment of my own experience. Each of us will have our own reasoning for what we choose to reject and lay focus on, and each of us will have made a decision, be it full of conviction or not, on what we deem is service (if this applies). Like I'm doing now, focusing on elaborating on something which is beginning to digress on your points. (hmm....)
Quote:Therefore reasoning such as "All is one" does not apply.
Reasoning such as "all is one".....it depends what is meant.
To have spoken the phrase not *very* useful to others, in my opinion. It may serve as a mantra for one to repeat or keep in mind in order to enter a trance state, or to access different thoughts/ways of thinking, or access a deeper state of consciousness like many objects of focus might also do. So saying it to others may serve as a reminder.
It may be a point upon which one may speculate the nature of the universe. So it may be a starting point for discussion on philosophical matters, or even for discussing what Ra might've been thinking or might've experienced, and more.
But not all selves desire the same service. Not all selves desire the same "type" or orientation of service either.
But in this density...
In life, assuming you are allowed choices, you choose among the selection which is your yellow-ray experience.
You exercise choice upon that which is a result of your self-awareness. To use the phrase "all is one" in reasoning or speech without understanding it, desiring to understand it, or serving oneself or other self as a result of its use, makes it totally impractical.
To reason that "all is one" may be due to the person in question coming to a finale in their reasoning, a conclusion.
If it is possible in this density to reason such a statement, what would this reasoning offer? The same message when it was delivered by Ra, was accompanied with quite an interesting perspective on life.
But in itself, the statement is a mystery. As such, it is as useful to me as is any thing that I have no clue I am unaware of. It remains out of grasp, and thus it is *useless* alone.
The statement, by itself, does not apply to what we possess immediately ahead of us to do.
Quote:Wisdom and understanding do not apply, except in terms of the yellow ray: the energy of separation from other.
1.) Wisdom and understanding are gained by experiences which, for us, approach our self-awareness. So yes, they only apply as they apply in yellow-ray. Everything does, in the same regard. We are in this density.
2.) The meaning of the phrase which appears after the colon is not clear to me.
We are certainly not all in one body. So there is other, and "I". There is polarity as result, for a long long time; in densities beyond our own, polarity (positive, negative) exists.
If you mean that we are all energized in a way that causes us to separate ourselves from each other, generate disharmony and conflict, then I'll say that such a condition is a potential of the yellow-ray energy, not it's essence.
When the yellow-ray energy center is clear, the entity with such an unblocked, cleared energy center will hope for an other self's peace, joy, and comfort (102.11).
This implies the energy center is blocked in other circumstances (particularly a social "field" regarding other-selves) such as when an entity is inclined to manipulate others and have power over others; the entity would have a blocked of the yellow-ray energy center in that case. In a more relevant example, an entity with a blocked yellow-ray energy center would be working with "group energies" and could thus drive a group to act bellicose toward another group in feeling that the other group must be dominated (32.2, 41.14) .
This is not the essence of yellow-ray, but yellow-ray energy is at the heart of these acts as it is said by Ra.
Quote:It is the true-color where "love" is learned. Which I hope to convey to all here, is the intentional and conscious sacrifice for the sake of another where "I" do not benefit to the degree of my labor. It is where I do not "accept what is" but use energy that I might generate from within myself -not from what is happening around me, but just giving that slight edge more of my attention to the question: How may I most be of use to the others I perceive in the situation I ascertain in this moment of awakening?
I addressed the first part of this. Time to end my post.
The energy which you apprehend, whatever it is, can be used however you wish. Your use and experience is what's important.
Skillful use may be such that one achieves easily what they intended to achieve, but skill doesn't [usually] appear over night.
A not-so skilled used invites unseen consequences which is natural of course.
Limiting oneself to small area of expertise enables oneself to more quickly be aware of what less there is to manage. Such is the way for those who neglect much of their experience, knowingly or unknowingly. All in due time. Each experience is appropriate for each entity. There is choice too.
The energy which you talk about...hmmm, which you say need be used for self-sacrifice in order to learn "love"...
Yes, act. Experience. If you wish to learn love, it is not solely about self-sacrifice. I mentioned this somewhere, earlier (again, this is my account on it). But if you believe your description truly describes love, then haven't you already learned it?
To "accept what is" -- I take this to mean that you would do nothing.
All your energy is generated from within yourself, pretty much. The energy centers, while I'm on this subject, provide their own distinct energy but you may reject this/them; you may accept them also, it's a choice. It falls onto one's way of thinking and capacity to progress out of any baffled flow of energy centers which in such a state will muddy the others, and one's way of thinking/behaving, and thereby close them off; potentially, this could damage the physical body and even cause experiences to repeat again and again, because one's reactions to them do not change. Penetrating energies from one higher center while being stuck in the blocked energy of others accomplishes the same detrimental effect. But again, it lies on what you think, your way of thinking. This fate is in your hands. In some cases, it may be shattered all over the ground, or reduced to a puddle, so to speak. These are hardships.
But back on topic, energy is generated from yourself even if you focus on what's happening around you. What matters, in that case, is what you get out of that object of focus. If your mind is "turned off" as you sit and watch the world unfold....or even if your thinking is on repeat, that ought to scream "here is the result of your thought/action. This is the energy as it is processed by you."
Focus on what's happening around you, or do not. The "energy" is your own.
What you talk about also outlines a strong will, as I interpret it.
That reminds me of those people who are quite devout in their given religion, who will serve their fellow human as guided by their religious principles.
Anyways, that's all I have for your post right now. Thanks for starting the thread.