(10-16-2010, 02:34 PM)thefool Wrote:(10-15-2010, 06:09 PM)unity100 Wrote: if one doesnt know enough about history, s/he shouldnt speak on propaganda s/he have received.
My friend !!! Now why do you have to do these personal attacks? It only helps to reduce the effectiveness of your own message and makes the discussion hostile.
thats not hostility. but this is the identification of the situation precisely.
you are using the exact arguments that a person who hasnt got an interest in history and political history, uses. and these biases come from what society has been conditioned to believe, intentionally.
they always come in the same exact form in response to same exact arguments. if you want, i can make a tally of these, and you will yourself even notice the pattern when some other people discuss such subjects in your social circle.
Quote:These are human ills and no way attributable to the individual based capitalistic system that the founding fathers of America put in place. We all can agree that the history of humanity is full of dreadful things and regardless of the system they will happen.
then, do not attribute the same human ills to socialist systems. those ills you speak of, exist and manifest anywhere.
Quote:Exactly. The STS powers are always trying to corrupt the principles of any system and we have plenty of examples of that in both systems.
Now once again- I believe that socialist principles are can be applicable in higher density as they essentially stand for the overall common good. But on 3D earth they have a fatal flaw. That is the concentration of power in single group. The American capitalist system tries to overcome this by the separation of powers and check and balances based system. And in my opinion a better system for 3D earth.
separation of powers is a huge baloney. it 'separates' powers in the government divisionalization. but, the composition of that government, is open to the private influence from outside.
and that is what happens ; private interests support the party they need, they get into power, they staff the government branches with their own men, the government starts acting for minority private interests, the private interests get stronger, and they repeat the cycle. not having 2, but 100 parties, cannot change that fact ; the group which gets private interest support, wins, with only few exceptions. even when an exception, somehow, wins, private interests use their resources to make the public believe in their cause through usage of propaganda, media, and make it harder for their interests to get damaged.
aka the situation in usa, regarding anything that the current administration attempted to do.
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control, ownership of resources and services, IS power. and ALL kinds of freedoms, hinge on the power distribution that exists in the society.
if you have money, you can use your freedom to take your supper in paris. if you have money, (or given) you can be president. if you have money, you can send your kid to college. if you have money, you can get decent medical treatment. if you have money, you can go vacationing. and in some twisted, corrupted systems, if you have more money, you can have more justice.
even if you have money, the ones with more money will get more of the 'freedoms' that you can get. so the elite can give you any freedoms you want. the only thing they need to limit you, is to make everything dependent on money. from education to health, from politics to leisure.
this fact, is not dawned upon the society of this planet yet. everyone thinks they have 'freedom' because they are 'given' the 'opportunity' to 'make it'. they are living on hope. and the numbers of those who actually have 'made it', are not even a statistic compared to the masses. they are maybe even less than the peasant percentage who received small knighthoods in the battles they have been forcibly recruited to to fight for their lords. yet, everyone thinks that 'somehow', they can make it.
and then there are those who sit in the lower middle recesses of the pyramid, and think that they are well off and free, because they are those who are worse off than themselves ....
a huge game of deceiving, charades, and exploitation of hope, with a lot of elitism in the form of 'i am better than' built in.
Quote:I think the way forward is not to try to think of a better system but better ourselves. This will help humanity and us regardless of the system. if we can bring a little light in our own lives and the lives of others regardless of system A, B or C- that is the differences right there we have made.
that is a 'love' approach to the problem. then there is a wisdom side of the problem. both need to be manifested. just like the rules of manifestation in this octave.
it wouldnt matter if you would manifest 8d energies on the planet in your everyday life, system, would keep acting according to its nature, until it is changed. because, that is the way with mechanics.