01-12-2017, 04:09 PM
(This post was last modified: 01-12-2017, 04:35 PM by Agua del Cielo.
Edit Reason: I struggle with the quote function :)
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A quick note, i fail to use the quote-function apparently, i am refering to bring4th_plenum right above, the first quote being a Ra quote...
"Forgiveness of other-self is forgiveness of self. An understanding of this insists upon full forgiveness upon the conscious level of self and other-self, for they are one.
A full forgiveness is thus impossible without the inclusion of self."
"When it's carried to completion, it really implies a full Integration of something that was cast aside as Separate."
I absolutely agree, i just didnt dare to say this. Ultimately, each blame one puts on others, each judgement one puts on others is at the root blaming oneself and selfjudgement.
We are not willing and able to face it in ourselves, so we deny it it, supress it and then project it onto others.
So, forgoving other-self is forgiving self.
As long as we dont forgive ourselves on the other hand, we cannot forgive others, for the same reason.
Either there is guilt or there is no guilt, either all beings are innocent or no being is innocent.
"...Quite often, that Experience will reside in early childhood; and in cases of radical, truly transformative Healing/Forgiveness, it will involve patterns from a former life that were borne for decades, and hence left deep emotional grooves. Loss. Grief. Betrayal. etc."
I fully agree, but again didnt really dare to say this here.
I , too, found, that when i would reach the deepest layer of any emotion (or issue) in this life (in childhood, baby phase or even embryonic states) i would find it more often than not has its actual root in otherlifetimes.
However, most of the "work" can be done in this life's issues (in my current understanding, we "select" our early experiences to ensure we have "actualized" all issues we want to work on in this life.
Some would still be unresolvable without integrating "past" lives.
"That kind of 'forgiveness' can be attained in dreams, deep meditation, etc. But definitely an altered state of consciousness to be able to access those original experiences."
I basically would see it like that. I would expand on the "etc" which would be a lot of means like medicine plants, various chemical substances, tranceinducing means (using no substances).
Additionally, and this would be very important (for me at least), the doors to these states would open more and more if we continously "work" on our issues, thus gaining trust, strenght, courage and stability.
Those four i would consider crucial. The only reason those deep issues stay unaccessable are the lack of trust, courage (to face and stand unpleasant emotions which are overwhelming), strenght ( in the sense of being able to bear these high energies), and stability ( there would possibly arise deep issues which render one "unfunctional" in daily life).
If these are developed over time, one would not need substances, altered states and so on.
Oh, i forgot, there are some breathing techniques which are really killer in helping digging for buried stuff. Only one of those would be holotropic breathing.
And, to get back to forgivesness. Ultimately forgiveness comes, when one reaches the deepest cor, because one would realize: there is nothing to forgive.
Thank you for thoughts, plenum
"Forgiveness of other-self is forgiveness of self. An understanding of this insists upon full forgiveness upon the conscious level of self and other-self, for they are one.
A full forgiveness is thus impossible without the inclusion of self."
"When it's carried to completion, it really implies a full Integration of something that was cast aside as Separate."
I absolutely agree, i just didnt dare to say this. Ultimately, each blame one puts on others, each judgement one puts on others is at the root blaming oneself and selfjudgement.
We are not willing and able to face it in ourselves, so we deny it it, supress it and then project it onto others.
So, forgoving other-self is forgiving self.
As long as we dont forgive ourselves on the other hand, we cannot forgive others, for the same reason.
Either there is guilt or there is no guilt, either all beings are innocent or no being is innocent.
"...Quite often, that Experience will reside in early childhood; and in cases of radical, truly transformative Healing/Forgiveness, it will involve patterns from a former life that were borne for decades, and hence left deep emotional grooves. Loss. Grief. Betrayal. etc."
I fully agree, but again didnt really dare to say this here.
I , too, found, that when i would reach the deepest layer of any emotion (or issue) in this life (in childhood, baby phase or even embryonic states) i would find it more often than not has its actual root in otherlifetimes.
However, most of the "work" can be done in this life's issues (in my current understanding, we "select" our early experiences to ensure we have "actualized" all issues we want to work on in this life.
Some would still be unresolvable without integrating "past" lives.
"That kind of 'forgiveness' can be attained in dreams, deep meditation, etc. But definitely an altered state of consciousness to be able to access those original experiences."
I basically would see it like that. I would expand on the "etc" which would be a lot of means like medicine plants, various chemical substances, tranceinducing means (using no substances).
Additionally, and this would be very important (for me at least), the doors to these states would open more and more if we continously "work" on our issues, thus gaining trust, strenght, courage and stability.
Those four i would consider crucial. The only reason those deep issues stay unaccessable are the lack of trust, courage (to face and stand unpleasant emotions which are overwhelming), strenght ( in the sense of being able to bear these high energies), and stability ( there would possibly arise deep issues which render one "unfunctional" in daily life).
If these are developed over time, one would not need substances, altered states and so on.
Oh, i forgot, there are some breathing techniques which are really killer in helping digging for buried stuff. Only one of those would be holotropic breathing.
And, to get back to forgivesness. Ultimately forgiveness comes, when one reaches the deepest cor, because one would realize: there is nothing to forgive.
Thank you for thoughts, plenum
