Diet Guidance from Channelings?

[Nía]

So frankly, this idea that Ra secretly wanted to advocate a vegan diet, but didn't want to alter the groups, (or if you like, specifically Carla's) free will decision to eat meat, seems highly improbable to me.

I actually wasn't referring (only) to the eating of meat here, but to any advice more specific than what was given. But I get your point.

A couple of ideas on your thoughts:

So when you actually take all these logical factors into account, you are left with only a few plausible explanations: Either: 
1) Carla's physiology was soooooo different from us "normie" humans that meat was good for her but not the rest of humanity, 
2) meat eating isn't as much against the cosmos as vegans have convinced themselves of, or 
3) it is against the unity of the cosmos, but Ra didn't think it important enough to correct them on it.

Following that strain of thought (about Ra preferring a meatless/vegan diet), there would also be many other, or additional, possible explanations, but I will just note one example that comes to mind: At the time is was much more difficult to make vegan (and ethical in general) choices, and especially to live a healthy vegan/ethical lifestyle, for a lot of the vegan (organic, local, fair trade...) foods available today weren't at the time (that's almost 40 years ago now!), so eating animal products was closer to a 'necessity' then than it is now. But that's not really a road I wanted to go down, because all of it is speculation, and doesn't lead anywhere.

By the way: I don't think eating meat, or as Ra called it, slaughtering animals, is 'against the cosmos' - how could it be; there is but One. But it without doubt causes immense suffering (and violent death) in individualised portions of the One, which you, leaving all the science aside, can extrapolate from Ra themselves, because they ascribed feelings of terror (is there much worse?) to 'advanced second-density beings', which animals raised for food clearly also are:

Ra: I am Ra. (...) The Orion group uses the physical examination as a means of terrifying the individual and causing it to feel the feelings of an advanced second-density being such as a laboratory animal. The sexual experiences of some are a sub-type of this experience. The intent is to demonstrate the control of the Orion entities over the Terran inhabitant.

For convenience, here's the whole part mentioned above, about complex protein (meat), the distortions it contains and causes in the consuming bodily complex, and slaughtering animals:

Ra: I am Ra. We am Ra. (...) We may ask the support group to monitor the instrument as always so that in the case of the desire for the more complex proteins that which is the least distorted might be offered to the bodily complex which is indeed at this time potentially capable of greatly increased distortion.

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Questioner: In the last session you mentioned least distorted complex protein in that the body complex of the instrument was capable of greatly increased distortion. Would you define the protein of which you spoke and we would like to know, increased distortion in which direction, towards health or ill-health?

Ra: I am Ra. We were, in the cautionary statement about complex protein, referring to the distortions of the animal protein which has been slaughtered and preservatives added in order to maintain the acceptability to your peoples of this non-living, physical material. It is well to attempt to find those items which are fresh and of the best quality possible in order to avoid increasing this particular entity’s distortions which may be loosely termed allergic.

Another thought about choices being made as of today is that, as Terran entities are evolving further, and the 3D entities being incarnate at this time are, as Ra have said, ever closer to reaching harvestability, same might be true for (advanced) animals - a state which Q'uo called 'the ever-rising consciousness of animal forms'. So what I'm suggesting is that maybe 'the animals' of 1971 are not the same (type of) animals of 2017, or at least the evolutionary state of them isn't  - the ones being incarnate in proximity to humans, and so with a certain likelihood of being invested in, might be further evolved than they were 40 years ago. That is at least my own perception from hundreds of visits to factory farms (conventional and organic alike), animal testing laboratories, slaughterhouses, and the like: It is not meaningless, or irrelevant, to cause this immense suffering to any type of conscious being (you won't get 'humanely raised meat' even from an organic free-range farmer without livestock transport, and slaughtering). This is not theory, this is no thought experiment, this is not illusion, this is not about 'diet': This is true real-life suffering to the extreme, without the possibility for these 2D entities of 'understanding' what happens to them, and why - which, at the very least, is given to 3D entities enduring extreme suffering. Go there and look them in the eye, and you will know what I mean, and it will (hopefully) break your heart. It is not possible for a compassionate entity who consciously faces this reality (being an illusion doesn't make the experiences less real, or less important, as you know) to be responsible for more of this type of suffering than absolutely non-avoidable. Yes, I'm being emotional there, because I have seen and felt (and heard, and smelled) that suffering innumerable times.

You might all be aware that vegans, usually, or let's say, ideally, don't advocate for themselves, for being 'right' or 'better' in any way, or even against anything, but for the animals, to end the suffering of our fellow advanced 2D entities, as much as is possible in an illusion, where physical existence in itself causes suffering.

Concerning your argument

option 2) because it seems frankly apparent to me from my time on this planet, that all life feeds on life, and always has, and I think it is very very natural to the earth (but that isn't to say it can't and hasn't become disproportionately parasitical -- e.g. factory farming).
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Also, when you think about "pre-veil" conditions, I have an extremely hard time imagining or believing that all the animal kingdom was not eating each other, even then. Again, I think it is entirely natural for animals to eat other animals -- and that includes the human animal. I mean do you think that wolves weren't eating flesh in those times? That bugs weren't eating other bugs? That all beings were partaking of plants? Did you know there are planets where there are mobile plant beings (beings such as this have been sighted in certain ET contact accounts)?  I'm sorry, but I don't believe life works that way (the way that says plants are the only morally correct food, and anything else is negatively polarizing). Eating flesh is part of the circle of life. Flesh comes in many forms -- plant and otherwise.

You certainly don't want to put 2D choices necessary for survival (in contrast to humans, animals don't have a 'so-called opposable thumb' to grow and prepare vegan foods for them) on a level with the choices 3D entities make that clearly, today, are not necessary for survival. Isn't this what choice is all about - to choose the least harm, the best possible option available for all involved, in every situation?

Apart from that (and the fact that I value Q'uo highly, even if I certainly don't hold them on the same level as Ra; while I think, that the contradictions mostly base on a. the limits of (our) language, b. the distortions of the channels, and c. our lack of precise understanding), I agree with most of what you have said. Thanks for your thoughts, honestly!

(though I think there is a lot of species-ism that goes on (i.e. "plants don't cry when you kill them therefore it is better to eat them than the organisms that have evolved mobility" -- but then again, different, and lacking vocal cords and muscles, doesn't mean it has less consciousness).

Absolutely agree => Did you know plants can learn from experience? (Bring4th thread)

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