The consequence of turning femanine equality into an ideology

[Jade]

Okay. First of all, I didn't pick that battle, if that's what you meant. I was trying to diffuse some of the focus on what's wrong, and perhaps focus on any progress we may have made as a culture. Your search engine results tell a bleak story. But when you consider the bulk of human population it's not surprising.

I meant more that my picking of the battle was absurd, didn't mean to make that accusation towards you. I just felt silly even perpetuating the argument.

I greatly admire the female form,

Thanks for that, it's really validating, especially after all the justification you do for earth_spirit's post, which was extremely hateful all around.

My whole point was to counter that the implication in this thread that gynocentrism is a potential problem, when the REAL, current, active problem is how deeply rooted our androcentricism is still.

I wasn't trying to sweep your feelings as a male under the rug. There is a legitimate discussion to be had about how males have also been oppressed by our androcentric society (by being forced to suppress their femininity to fit in with desired stereotypes). Our problems have the same cause: Societal indoctrination. And this doesn't start with the mother, as neat and tidy as that accusation happens to be.

The fact that you even stoop to giving females the value of worship because of their "form" - how absurd would it be if I said that? "Well, I hate the oppressive patriarchy, but I really admire the physical structure of the male body so I guess I just have to put up with it!"

Freedom of speech doesn't mean you get to just say whatever you want without others getting to "blow up on you". If you say something extremely hateful, the target of that speech has the right to speak out against you. What surprises me is that MORE people didn't speak out against the hate speech! If we're actually all one, and as APW says, anything that happens to one gender happens to the other - then why aren't there any men who are upset that e_s called women lazy and without value? (This was a blanket statement he made, not "some women" or "I believe this could be the case". It was a full stop.) Nick presented what could possibly have been a fruitful topic of discussion, but it got dragged into the mud with extremism. The fact that the "women blowing up on him" are again, perceived as the aggressors in this topic, is ludicrous. They weren't blowing up on him because he's a man, they were blowing up on him because he said hateful things about women. It just so happens that these two things usually coincide, by nature of polarity.