The consequence of turning femanine equality into an ideology

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SMC, won't you provide to us your feelings and opinions on these things?  I have already - I don't wish to anymore. It's exhausting.

Your input is greatly desired by me, (well that's all about you - so - get that need of yours met by doing the work to learn without expecting a woman to educate a man about how patriarchy abuses women.

as I also hope Jade will return to this thread and overlook the perceived bigotry ("perceived" ? the bigotry is actual bigotry)

here to try and help teach us how to better see the female as equal to male and vice versa, as I hope of you too.
again - time for you to do the learning yourself. I've given you resources.

I know this thread is inundated with insensitivity, and I realize how hurtful it is be subjected to such things...But between you and Jade, and anyone else who desires equality, and wishes to speak for equality and to teach equality, I pray you will all not hold your tongue.

I don't think we're 'holding our tongue"  - I think we've had enough

As it goes...

Pray tell, women of b4, do not suppress yourselves in fear.  Good lord! - again - this is not happening - the women feeling fear will have never said a single word on these forums

I will stand with you even if we disagree, because you are as much free, welcome, and respected, as I'd hope anyone would feel towards myself.  We are all the creator here, I desperately want to learn from another directly how I can be of service to the manifestation of equality between the sexes.  I do not believe I can manage this without the very important and desired input any of you have to offer.

This is not true - and the appeal to our emotions is patently emotionally manipulative.

Tell us dudes how wrong we are, explain it to us, help us uncover our eyes and see!  we did that already

We all came to this thread hoping to discuss feminism (debatable) and the most prominent energy about it is equality between women and men.

Please, share with us.  We are reaching out to you now, you are - (there is no "we") as the male principle is said to do.  Please come back.  We will do better, or at the very least. I will do better.


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C_A that you still feel it's appropriate to continue asking for selfless efforts from those so harshly spoken of - in itself says a great deal about how men expect women to always reconcile, arbitrate, mediate, inform, persuade, reason with, placate, educate, their oppressors.

I recognise the sincere good will in your wish for further learning; but after the sickening posts by some to this thread it's insensitive to ask those (effectively) verbally attacked - to continue to give time and energy to this thread - especially given the strong likelihood that we'd have to read further abusive ideas.

It was International Women's Day yesterday - yet not a thread was written here on B4 to acknowledge and to celebrate.

I waited and I watched (and there were dozens of ideas and facts, and initiatives and issues I could have posted about) - but I am so done with the insular and toxic 'echo chamber' that is the forum of B4.

I didn't think it would make any difference - and I just don't need the negativity.

I live as a woman on this planet - so  - please do the work in educating yourself C_A

There are organisations/individuals that will help you.

I've lived through 5 decades of misogyny and sexist abuse - I have no energy to keep arguing that it exists and ruins lives

- let alone that I've been so exhausted and dismayed to find it it here on Bring4th - where (years ago) I first came  - seeking sanctuary.