Nicolas we are not on the same page. I found your original post quite uncomfortable because you are blaming a social movement meant to strengthen a suppressed group for not doing things for those outside the group.
That is kind of the point of a focused group like this to build them up. I also don't agree with you or your scholar because I don't think there is anything to complain about. It's a social movement running its course. They are never balanced and moderate, they always are meant to push. The always have aspects equally tacky as the people they need to drag kicking and screaming in to modern more equality based times.
I also do not see any issue with having hiring quotas. Women are seen as less. I do a job in a very male field. Run my own business. I'm one of the higher skilled but you'd be suprised how hard it was to get clients because I don't have a penis and the clients are used to trusting their penis owning professional. I get it I have an aspect to me that is conditioned to see the same way.
Men have always been the ones we look to because women were not traditionally the professionals.
Yet I have a great nonwavering super happy client base. I do an amazing job, equal but different to the way men do it in my field. I've had to fight twice as hard to get the same trust and respect men in the field were handed as an assumption upon entering the profession.
Women honestly were the worst(men found me an interesting novelty, Or if they had daughters a role model for their daughters) and people would out of the blue walk up to me the first few years almost daily and say "in my country you wouldn't be allowed to do this job" l(European) and the boys club in my industry actuay stood against me embracing each other and freezing me out. I was change and they didn't want change. I was one of 2 women now there are dozens.
Once they noticed I had built my business, my methods while different worked very well and that I was going no where they became more decent some even allies and friends but make no mistake it is very hard to break in to industries that had always been male.
Men have been the leaders for so long, it's just natural to want to hire a man. Force women into places no one wants them and minds get changed. I was a business owner so could do it myself and let the dollars speak for me. In other industries where they are pressure by clients and coworkers to not hire women and the way IN for women has to be opened till its accepted that yeah actually we are as good, unfortunately that takes a lot of time in this society but in another 15 years I bet that will no longer be needed. Then that push will stop because it has run its course.
I hear lots from minority groups and do not expect them to make their platform palatable to me. They are not there to be moderate they are their to get in society's face and change the world.
Men certainly have issues of their own but feminism can be exactly what it needs to be as it develops, it will change and grow as society grows and changes. Men already have advocacy groups and my God just try to tell me they aren't doing the same..
At the same time I do not see you as a bad person, or a woman hater you just are expecting a group to do something it never was intended to do, and are perhaps to focused on parts of feminism you don't like vs seeing it for what it is a group meant to force change where it is being resisted.
Big picture, but we are allowed to disagree.
That is kind of the point of a focused group like this to build them up. I also don't agree with you or your scholar because I don't think there is anything to complain about. It's a social movement running its course. They are never balanced and moderate, they always are meant to push. The always have aspects equally tacky as the people they need to drag kicking and screaming in to modern more equality based times.
I also do not see any issue with having hiring quotas. Women are seen as less. I do a job in a very male field. Run my own business. I'm one of the higher skilled but you'd be suprised how hard it was to get clients because I don't have a penis and the clients are used to trusting their penis owning professional. I get it I have an aspect to me that is conditioned to see the same way.
Men have always been the ones we look to because women were not traditionally the professionals.
Yet I have a great nonwavering super happy client base. I do an amazing job, equal but different to the way men do it in my field. I've had to fight twice as hard to get the same trust and respect men in the field were handed as an assumption upon entering the profession.
Women honestly were the worst(men found me an interesting novelty, Or if they had daughters a role model for their daughters) and people would out of the blue walk up to me the first few years almost daily and say "in my country you wouldn't be allowed to do this job" l(European) and the boys club in my industry actuay stood against me embracing each other and freezing me out. I was change and they didn't want change. I was one of 2 women now there are dozens.
Once they noticed I had built my business, my methods while different worked very well and that I was going no where they became more decent some even allies and friends but make no mistake it is very hard to break in to industries that had always been male.
Men have been the leaders for so long, it's just natural to want to hire a man. Force women into places no one wants them and minds get changed. I was a business owner so could do it myself and let the dollars speak for me. In other industries where they are pressure by clients and coworkers to not hire women and the way IN for women has to be opened till its accepted that yeah actually we are as good, unfortunately that takes a lot of time in this society but in another 15 years I bet that will no longer be needed. Then that push will stop because it has run its course.
I hear lots from minority groups and do not expect them to make their platform palatable to me. They are not there to be moderate they are their to get in society's face and change the world.
Men certainly have issues of their own but feminism can be exactly what it needs to be as it develops, it will change and grow as society grows and changes. Men already have advocacy groups and my God just try to tell me they aren't doing the same..
At the same time I do not see you as a bad person, or a woman hater you just are expecting a group to do something it never was intended to do, and are perhaps to focused on parts of feminism you don't like vs seeing it for what it is a group meant to force change where it is being resisted.
Big picture, but we are allowed to disagree.
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