04-06-2017, 07:17 AM
(This post was last modified: 04-06-2017, 07:20 AM by Agua del Cielo.)
I am by the way not suggesting to "believe" what i say.
Since all i can share on a forum is a concept, which is only a means to an end.
It has to be experienced, otherwise the information is pretty useless.
Thats all i am about.
I try to offer a "direction" for exploration.
Like with equaling consciousness with intellect.
I know you didnt say this, just as an example:
We could debate endlessly if consciousness equals intellect, probably forever.
But entering silent meditation for just a couple of minutes would directly let you experience awareness and consciousness without intellect.
So there would be no need anymore to debate.
Another thing is, if you re having diffulty entering that state.
But instead of "defending" or rather advertising the intellectual approach, we could mutually share experiences and tips how to overcome difficulties.
I also had a hard time entering stillness for quite some time, and i guess most people here also know this.
So instead of what i perceive as endless and to a degree pointless discussion, we could move along together and support us mutually on our path.
Spiritual growth is not a ladder one climbs and one is higher than the other.
I perceive it more as a map. One has explored Denmark, another might be concentrating on South America, some explore parts of the whole map, other explore only one city but to an extreme extent.
I really think its about experiencing. Not about abstracting it and playing with the theory, at least not for me.
I like to experience love, i see absolutely no point in thinking about love.
One can think about unity and oneness, but one should not forget that thinking about oneness is actually the exact opposite of oneness.
@minyatur
i dont know if contemplating oneness leads to oneness necessarily.
I think it has to be realized sooner or later that seperation is the "opposite" of oneness (in fact, oneness does not have an opposite, only illusory opposites) and the intellect is an instrument of seperation.
I experienced oneness the first time without ever "thinking"of oneness before, so i dont think that is necessary.
Considering oneness, i would say oneness can be experienced, when the entity is ready for the experience.
Not sure if you do this, i sometimes get the impression, but if you identify with the intellect completely, this will most likely be the very thing that blocks the experience of unity, since your whole identity would collapse, and you would most likely not be able to allow this.
I mean, when one experiences oneness, the identity collapses anyway, but if there is an unwillingness to even let go of the intellect to a degree (im not talking about completely, but here a couple minutes, there and hour and so on), one would not even experience the connectedness that can be felt here in 3D, how should one possibly experience oneness then?
The only thing that might help would be a real high dosage of drugs then :/
Which could create a whole lot of other problems with such a background...
Since all i can share on a forum is a concept, which is only a means to an end.
It has to be experienced, otherwise the information is pretty useless.
Thats all i am about.
I try to offer a "direction" for exploration.
Like with equaling consciousness with intellect.
I know you didnt say this, just as an example:
We could debate endlessly if consciousness equals intellect, probably forever.
But entering silent meditation for just a couple of minutes would directly let you experience awareness and consciousness without intellect.
So there would be no need anymore to debate.
Another thing is, if you re having diffulty entering that state.
But instead of "defending" or rather advertising the intellectual approach, we could mutually share experiences and tips how to overcome difficulties.
I also had a hard time entering stillness for quite some time, and i guess most people here also know this.
So instead of what i perceive as endless and to a degree pointless discussion, we could move along together and support us mutually on our path.
Spiritual growth is not a ladder one climbs and one is higher than the other.
I perceive it more as a map. One has explored Denmark, another might be concentrating on South America, some explore parts of the whole map, other explore only one city but to an extreme extent.
I really think its about experiencing. Not about abstracting it and playing with the theory, at least not for me.
I like to experience love, i see absolutely no point in thinking about love.
One can think about unity and oneness, but one should not forget that thinking about oneness is actually the exact opposite of oneness.
@minyatur
i dont know if contemplating oneness leads to oneness necessarily.
I think it has to be realized sooner or later that seperation is the "opposite" of oneness (in fact, oneness does not have an opposite, only illusory opposites) and the intellect is an instrument of seperation.
I experienced oneness the first time without ever "thinking"of oneness before, so i dont think that is necessary.
Considering oneness, i would say oneness can be experienced, when the entity is ready for the experience.
Not sure if you do this, i sometimes get the impression, but if you identify with the intellect completely, this will most likely be the very thing that blocks the experience of unity, since your whole identity would collapse, and you would most likely not be able to allow this.
I mean, when one experiences oneness, the identity collapses anyway, but if there is an unwillingness to even let go of the intellect to a degree (im not talking about completely, but here a couple minutes, there and hour and so on), one would not even experience the connectedness that can be felt here in 3D, how should one possibly experience oneness then?
The only thing that might help would be a real high dosage of drugs then :/
Which could create a whole lot of other problems with such a background...