The Ivory Tower and the pursuit of knowledge

[reedfish]

Im not sure if its possible to find common ground here.
Or maybe were looking at wrong place...

Quite frankly, i believe once you experienced a state of non-intellectual awareness, as in silent meditation for example, there is no way you could possibly deny that intelligence or awareness is dependant on intellect. Quite contrary you would know that a higher intelligence arises when the intellect is being stilled ( without falling asleep!).

You could still prefer the intellectual road, for whatever reason, but any debate about that basic truth would be pointless!

When you, on the other hand and for whatever reason have not yet experienced this, you would surely be identified with the intellect so much that you would only know either intellectual activity or sleep, conscious awareness would be completely unimaginable without intellect then.
You would then automatically attritube intellect to any kind of intelligence.
In that case there would also be no point in discussing this, i guess.

If one consciously chooses that path, why not? If it fits your needs, thats perfectly fine, everybody is different.
An advantage is for example that you re always a little bit cut off from emotions. You wont get overwhelmed thateasy and a balanced state might be easierto accomplish.

I am pretty sure we can all agree so far on this!

I found two things especially difficult on the intellectual path:

One is, you always deal with an abstraction and its easy to forget this.
Reedfish gave a good example with the ocean!

Instead of swimming in the ocean, the intellect stays outside, thinks about it, imagines all kinds of things, compares the appeareance to otherthings he knows.
The intellect might perceive itself as an expert on swimming in the ocean after a while, but never actually did.
Thats the problem with intellectual understanding in my opinion.

Second problem is in exploring the self.

Almost all our blockages and issues develop extremely early.
In the firstdays and weeks, then thefirst year, then thefirst 2-3 years. After that its mostly a solidifying and reoccuring of what already happened.
In orderto really understand all these mechanisms, you have to getto the root of them.
Now the big problem is, a six week old baby does not yet have developed an intellect.
Its mind does not function by thought.
This means, the information is not stored in a way that the intellect could access or possibly understand.
A weak analogy would be, you speak chinese up to a certain age, then you start to speak english. All earlier information will be stored in chinese, but later you are an english speaking adult and dont understand chinese anymore.

You would then be left to interpretation or "inventing" explanations, but you will most likely be completely wrong.

edit:
i hope there is really a misunderstanding and not only a debate for the sake of debating!?

Thank you for your thoughtful response!

>> I found two things especially difficult on the intellectual path:
>> One is, you always deal with an abstraction and its easy to forget this.
>> Second problem is in exploring the self.

Way up on my list of favorites is the "Michael" books - edited by Chelsea Quinn Yarbro. The reason I invoke them here, is that these books lay out a detailed "blueprint" of souls. It's one of those "truth without proof" things just like the Ra material. Can't prove any of it - but I found it to be profound and extremely helpful in my journey and attempts to UNDERSTAND life and the reality I reside in. In a nutshell, there are seven different types of souls: server, artisan, warrior, scholar, sage, priest and king. More than 50% of the global population are servers, and less than 2% are kings.

Bottom line, if you happen to be a "server" type soul, you're probably going to SUCK at abstractions. If you're artisan, abstraction almost defines who you are - but you're going to SUCK in politics. The king will be competent in almost everything, but the tradeoff will be an existence of extremes, and this soul will almost certainly suffer the most, while accomplishing the most. The server will accomplish the least, but have the "smoothest ride" with the least amount of overt suffering through 3rd density. So there's trade-offs all over the place!

The scholar will of course REVEL in intellect. Good luck ever getting a scholar type to meditate. Likewise, good luck ever trying to get a priest type not to.

Exploring the self - that is what EVERYONE is doing all the time everyday in every way. But, we do it differently because the Creator has endowed us differently at a level of spirit. For servers and priests meditation is a SLAM DUNK. For scholars and warriors, "not so much".