Episode #60

[Jade]

Well, I think we have a pretty good paradox here. We say that either animals don't suffer and therefore their catalyst is only meaningful from a third density point of view, or that animals do suffer and they use it as awareness for growth towards third density and maybe even the early lessons of third density.

I think it probably is more of a gradient - in line with xise's posts - that an animal of higher order is more likely to truly conceptualize and use its suffering for catalyst than a plant. I also think in general that it is less likely for a plant to experience objective "suffering" in a wild environment, as opposed to an animal - but again, a gradient. The more wild the environment, the less that what happens to a plant/animal would be considered suffering. An injured paw in the course of a hunt for a lion is just part of being a lion, and I think we all agree that that is okay. But do we all agree that being impregnated, your baby taken from you and killed, and kept hooked to a machine to drain your mammary tissue for most of the day for a luxury item should be a part of any being's existence? That being born just to be ground up alive should be the legacy we leave for the rooster?

I think my ultimate point in bantering about this is then moving whatever we deem the conclusion to, towards what do we do with all of this suffering?