Does anybody here have an interest in macroeconomics?

[Spooner]

Neither capitalism nor socialism as exists on Earth is STO. Every system on Earth requires coercion to function. People in socialist countries cannot opt out and simply live peacefully on their own. In the same way people in capitalist societies may find themselves in a position where everything is owned and there is literally no where to go to live peacefully on their own.

The ability to live peacefully on your own is the bedrock foundation of any STO society. Without this, participation is coercive and a form of enslavement. Period.

Socialist systems that force the hard working and competent to pay a huge portion of their labor in support of the lazy or inept are coercive. They are enacting slavery. The is what conservatives are trying to point out.

Capitalist systems that force the working class to work long hours or starve to death because monopolies control all the resources and land are coercive. They are enacting slavery. This is what the liberals are trying to point out.

There are valid observations on both sides. Even though liberals think of themselves as being more compassionate they are not. Objectively conservatives give more of their money to charity. Liberals want to spend other peoples money to solve the worlds problems. They want to use law/government/violence to force this. This is not loving kindness. Loving kindness comes from a human individual. In the same way conservatives like to think of themselves are more just than liberals. They are objectively not. The free market only exists in theory. In reality we have lying, distortion, monopoly, coercion and more all under the umbrella of the "free market." Defending this is not justice.

Please stop being simplistic about this. A true STO society would look nothing like what we have on earth. The closest thing would be primitive tribalism where people are free to come or go as they please, except theoretically you could also have technology. It's just that humans have never been able to maintain complex societies including technology without adopting some force of coercion to keep things orderly. Part of this is just the nature of living on earth with limited ability to communicate and a huge population of psychopathic/STS people mixed among the STO.