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    Bring4th Bring4th Studies Spiritual Development & Metaphysical Matters [split] Declassified CIA Document on Gateway Experience [the Cult posts]

    Thread: [split] Declassified CIA Document on Gateway Experience [the Cult posts]


    Aaron (Offline)

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    10-18-2017, 01:04 AM
    The reason for the dissonance is the strong emotional charge to the word "cult". It has a negative emotional connotation. The reason for this is because the experience embedded in our social memory which is relating to "cults" is painful and difficult, usually containing trauma. These are experiences of slavery, where people have had their lives and the lives of their families and loved ones destroyed.

    The reason why people have been through these horrible experiences involving groups identifying themselves as cults, is because typically these are negatively-oriented groups of individuals creating negative environments of control and enslavement. We all know that L/L Research, and the people who embody this organization are the polar opposite of that. This is a positive group. It's structure is like an orb or column of light, radiating out love and aid to those who are able to feel that love, and react to it. I think of it like, these people are helping others go out and be the absolute best selves that they can be in the world. And not only that, but they are connecting people to the real love of the Source and the angelic presences that are around us in the larger universe. Regardless of what they call themselves. On the other hand, the negative mystery schools and organizations are pyramid shaped, out of necessity of the concentration of power.

    Now it's true that if we are able to appreciate the meaning of the language, then we would only interpret your sentence as:
    "No offense, please do realize many people consider the Ra Material and the affiliated group to be like a social group defined by its religious, spiritual, or philosophical beliefs, or its common interest in a particular personality, object or goal."

    But there is a reason you are using the word "cult". And I think it's because you feel like some of the negative emotional connotation of that word holds true for some people's experience of the Law of One material.

    Most of the later points you made on that numbered list seem to be influenced by the way you feel about a particular catalyst which you revealed when you said:
    Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote:At least for me personally, I can say that since discovering the Ra Material I have felt a keen sense of 'I can never be as good as those entities of Love and Light', which can be translated to never feeling good enough.  I often feel that way when posting here on the forum too, like I can never explain myself good enough.  I imagine I'm not the only one who experiences this.


    I do agree with your assessment of Don's interactions with Carla which you made in some of the earlier points of that numbered list. As an aside, there may be some good discussion there, or a point to be found.


    But what you say above about feeling like you're inferior or that you will never live up to those "entities of Love and Light", and what you say here:
    Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote:I also used to be like you, it gets to a point in life where you realize that to do what this material asks of you to 'graduate' is akin to throwing yourself in fire to save a person getting roasted over it.
    basically to me sounds like the same basic fear-based belief that is the basis the major religions like Christianity and Islam. There is that constant feeling of inferiority to the gods, whether Jehovah-God of distorted Christianity or Muhammad of distorted Islam. There is the belief that one is born unclean or a sinner, and unworthy.

    If you're identifying this belief structure as being associated with L/L Research material, then I have to say I wouldn't agree with that assessment. 

    If you're interacting with people who struggle with this belief structure who are also attracted to L/L Research material, then I would ascribe that to the grand tapestry of life and the path of seeking and awakening of each individual, before I would attribute such a belief structure to L/L Research's material.

    I agree with what Ankh wrote in this post in another thread,
    Ankh Wrote:I do believe too that this material is one of the most pure and undistorted sources available on Earth. And to answer your question, just *because of it being just that* it contains *that particular light or energy* which, when it enters the seeker and awakening within it that inner same light, needs to be balanced. So, if there is in the seeker any distortions which are in the direct opposition compared to the teach/learning of the LOO, then these need to be balanced before any progression can be made.


    and I think it applies to this situation. The Law of One material offers a window into Reality. How the person reacts to it tells a lot about their state of being. If one is optimistic, it could confirm their optimism. If one is cynical, it could confirm their cynicism. If one has a somewhat nihilistic viewpoint on the world, well I'm not gonna say that the revelation of the bigger picture of Reality would help to make that person feel any better about being a human. In my experience, people who have a nihilistic viewpoint tend to see everything in that way. I guess that's the same as any of us, interpreting experience through our unique viewpoints and distortions.


    The thing is, for the awakening seeker, these trials and hardships and this "being focused on by malevolent spirits, greater and harder catalyst getting thrown at you", would happen at a certain point of their development, with or without the aid that comes from freely choosing to educate one's self with this material. None of us are in a victim position here. It's a very difficult mindset to break out of. It's something I've been thinking of writing a new thread about, actually, because it seems so deeply ingrained into humanity, into our social memory.

    Point being, I see people coming across this amazing gift of information by their own free will, and experiencing that connection to real, loving individuals. And then those people turn around and complain about shortcomings in the material, or misquote and misapply concepts from the material, or even worse they start talking bad about Ra and the Confederation and these unspeakably profound loving energies and I wonder, how can these people really have this viewpoint? I'm not trying to single you out. I see it happening all over the forums, and it comes and goes over the years. Same with the victim consciousness. I see it everywhere. It's endemic in the truth seeking awakening community or whatever you want to call it.


    I want to get to the bottom of why you feel the inferiority and inability to explain yourself clearly. Because I want you to be connected to your highest and best self so you can feel the love that I do.


    All that aside, to get to your main point of the thread, the CIA document. I have to say that is amazing stuff. I've seen several of these sorts of declassified documents from the 60s and 80s. The information within them is always intriguing and often shocking and horrifying. I'd hate to imagine what sort of experiments they did with hypnosis. But it does seem like they mapped out the process of meditating to reach deeper states of consciousness and were able to scientifically verify the process occurring and were able to repeat it. And yet it just blows my mind that I'm sitting here at a computer typing this in 2017 and the info in this document has only been partially publicly disclosed in the form of mainstream articles about scientific studies touting the benefits of meditation, the articles of course containing no actual information from the studies.


    What do you think page 25 was about? Seems to me like it could have gone on to describe some pretty deep stuff the way the writer was talking about the holy trinity right before. It's exactly analogous to the trinity described in the Law of One material with Free Will, Love, and Light. I mean, that sh*t got straight up religious there for a second. In a CIA document about a gadget that enables transcendental meditation, from 1983. Which I'm reading and talking to you about in 2017. This is ridiculous.
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    [split] Declassified CIA Document on Gateway Experience [the Cult posts] - by YinYang - 10-16-2017, 05:27 AM
    RE: [split] Declassified CIA Document on Gateway Experience [the Cult posts] - by Coordinate_Apotheosis - 10-19-2017, 09:20 PM
    RE: [split] Declassified CIA Document on Gateway Experience [the Cult posts] - by YinYang - 10-20-2017, 03:26 AM
    RE: [split] Declassified CIA Document on Gateway Experience [the Cult posts] - by Coordinate_Apotheosis - 10-20-2017, 07:25 AM
    RE: [split] Declassified CIA Document on Gateway Experience [the Cult posts] - by YinYang - 10-20-2017, 08:47 AM
    RE: [split] Declassified CIA Document on Gateway Experience [the Cult posts] - by Coordinate_Apotheosis - 10-20-2017, 09:05 AM
    RE: [split] Declassified CIA Document on Gateway Experience [the Cult posts] - by YinYang - 10-20-2017, 11:06 AM
    RE: [split] Declassified CIA Document on Gateway Experience [the Cult posts] - by rva_jeremy - 10-20-2017, 09:48 AM
    RE: [split] Declassified CIA Document on Gateway Experience [the Cult posts] - by loostudent - 10-20-2017, 05:45 PM
    RE: [split] Declassified CIA Document on Gateway Experience [the Cult posts] - by xise - 10-20-2017, 06:47 PM
    RE: [split] Declassified CIA Document on Gateway Experience [the Cult posts] - by Dante776 - 10-26-2017, 12:10 AM
    RE: [split] Declassified CIA Document on Gateway Experience [the Cult posts] - by Aion - 10-26-2017, 12:40 AM
    RE: [split] Declassified CIA Document on Gateway Experience [the Cult posts] - by Coordinate_Apotheosis - 10-26-2017, 02:02 AM
    RE: [split] Declassified CIA Document on Gateway Experience [the Cult posts] - by Dante776 - 10-27-2017, 03:30 PM
    RE: [split] Declassified CIA Document on Gateway Experience [the Cult posts] - by Coordinate_Apotheosis - 10-28-2017, 02:42 AM
    RE: Declassified CIA Document on Gateway Experience - by Stranger - 10-16-2017, 06:43 AM
    RE: Declassified CIA Document on Gateway Experience - by YinYang - 10-16-2017, 08:23 AM
    RE: Declassified CIA Document on Gateway Experience - by Coordinate_Apotheosis - 10-16-2017, 11:27 AM
    RE: Declassified CIA Document on Gateway Experience - by Aion - 10-16-2017, 12:23 PM
    RE: Declassified CIA Document on Gateway Experience - by Nía - 10-16-2017, 12:51 PM
    RE: Declassified CIA Document on Gateway Experience - by YinYang - 10-17-2017, 05:51 AM
    RE: Declassified CIA Document on Gateway Experience - by hounsic - 10-17-2017, 06:26 PM
    RE: Declassified CIA Document on Gateway Experience - by Coordinate_Apotheosis - 10-17-2017, 07:32 PM
    RE: Declassified CIA Document on Gateway Experience - by Aaron - 10-18-2017, 01:04 AM
    RE: Declassified CIA Document on Gateway Experience - by xise - 10-18-2017, 02:01 AM
    RE: Declassified CIA Document on Gateway Experience - by YinYang - 10-18-2017, 04:06 AM
    RE: Declassified CIA Document on Gateway Experience - by Coordinate_Apotheosis - 10-18-2017, 11:54 PM
    RE: Declassified CIA Document on Gateway Experience - by YinYang - 10-19-2017, 05:04 AM

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