12-11-2017, 06:42 PM
(12-11-2017, 01:54 PM)tRistAn Wrote: Shoutout dante, shoutout CA.
Youre drowning and you have the choice between a male and a female lifeguard to save your life. Who do you choose? Why?
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I don't think as someone drowning I've the luxury to choose, I'd be fine with either, both sexes are equal, biology differentiations not withstanding, anyone can be a good anything.
I was going to wait to reply after I had some time to set myself straight but this seems a good opportunity to say somethings on my mind about this thread.
For starters, I didn't perceive it as a troll thread, and while I've said some mean things to Jade, I've said meaner things to Dante. I don't know if he's a troll though he does give off a sincere dismissive and sharp attitude that makes me feel wary of his sincerity, ESPECIALLY now having read his opinions of women.
He cites the trashy exceptions, but to be fair, he's also being dismissed in disturbing ways.
As was I for my admittance to the things I felt, and it just seems too easy to say femnazi and chauvinist. Jade isn't a femnazi, neither was SMC, and by that extension I don't see Glow or Isis in ANYWAY resembling those things. I don't think there's a femnazi on here.
I think some radical labeling against sexes by both sides has been revealed here.
Some labels I most noted for the power of disgust behind them were patriarchy and feminist.
Some results of my honest emotional outburst were women felt I was insincere, someone even said I had a persecution complex for being hurt by women. Another insinuated me to be many ways of a disrespectful nature. And overall the feeling was of being invalidated, oppressed while claiming to not be the oppressor. I even admit to something that no one here seems to appreciate the sheer power and courage it takes to accept such. Then further even that is dismissed as a slippery scope.
All I see in this thread is everyone's sexism showing and instead of meeting it with catalyst and treating it with love, I see a very different result.
You know I was wrong to go off, everyone does, but in that moment I saw some clarity in retrospect, to be the person in pain and completely dismissed on all fronts. Now I know how women feel, but more, now I deeply am validated in my beliefs that women and men, not so different. I was oppressed by women the way men oppressed them.
Like, I hope no female here is taking pleasure from gifting the medicine they've been forced ro take all their life on a guy here. It's like the fear of a matriarchy becoming likebthe patriarchy. That isn't balance, that's swapping roles.
When people speak of equality, they often speak of inequality, and what's more, who said anything about a matriarchy? If equality is the goal, both a patriarchy and matriarchy must NOT be made. George Washington saw the folly in a two party system of politics, I see the folly in only two choices of overseers. The patriarchy must be balanced, turning it into a matriarchy isn't balance, equalizing the positions of power being held between men and women is also a dangerous judgment game of saying so-n-so is a man and there's too many men, he's highly qualified but there's no more spots for men.
That's sexism, you cannot discriminate against a person's sex.
Dante speaks of exceptions, I am like the thinktank of exceptions. I even have a saying, there's an exception for everything, otherwise it wouldn't be infinite.
I know of women through friends who have made unfair advance in career due to sexual involvement with management, its extremely taboo and I only know from drunken admittance, I also know of women who lost jobs from similar things. To accuse all women of this is ridiculous, Dante. I have said some similar things to another friend and I'm going to say them to you.
This judgment is extremely unhealthy for you. Women are supposed to be the joy of life (if you'll excuse that remark for a second and let me explain).
When God made Adam, he was lonely. God saw this and fashioned him a mate called Eve. Eve was this equal, made from Adam to be his equal,she was Adam, she came from him. She wss as him, and they shared, seemingly everything, even a simple apple. It was through her exploration that mankind accrued intelligence of free will,of good and evil.
There's anotger iteration, a prequel. Adam was made at the same time as Lillith, both fashioned from the ground into flesh by God. Lilith was Adam's equal, but he demanded her submission to him. In this disgust Lillith left the Garden of Eden, and as a result her story is damned into a tale of a mother of demons birthing then from copulating with demons while Adam is given a new mate by God.
In both stories there is two major themes, a tale of women's behavior, and a tale of man's need for women. The singular theme is polarity, and how the masculine and feminine can be portrayed.
In our existence, we each contain masculine and feminine traits, we each are male and female. In the story of Genesis, firstly there is inference of more than just Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, but others like them. There is inference that there is more than just A God when God proclaims to others equal to him at what Adam and Eve have done. There is inference of a fall of humanity, there is a lot of overlaid gender archetypes, some skewed by prejudice of the time.
Man is not supposed to be trying to dominate, we aren't supposed to control women, they are our equals and whether we like it or not we are their equals.
This means for all the bad women do, men can do too, and vice versa, and more an old song comes to mind, I Can Do It Better Than You, No You Can't, Yes I Can, No You Can't, Yes I Can! As a girl and guy sing along in argument.
When I read that all women are manipulators, abusers, nigh subtle oppressors, I feel the EXACT same way when I read that men are sexist oppressors. I disagree and am hurt by such broad accusations of our brothers and sisters. People can be manipulative, people can be abusive, people can be sexist, and anyone can oppress anyone.
It's just not fair to have one group blaming in entirety the other. Not all men or women are any of these things, there are women who can kick your butt at a myriad of things whom could never oppress anyone, and there are men who can do almost anything a woman can do, and they'd never feel anything wrong with that.
What I've seen said here is even the most gentle man can hurt a woman and even the most thoughtful sweet woman can hurt a man.
There are bad apples, the entire lot is not bad.
I believe in the skewed masculine viewpoint that women exist to be loved and encouraged and supported, just as men should be. I think of we equalize things, make it okay for guys to express 'girly' things like 'emotions', and for women to do 'guyly' things, like be aggressive and standoffish.
Those two things are riddled with knots of sexism in them, implying feminine is emotional and masculine is offensive, but all I intend to portray with such statements is that I, PERSONALLY, would feel less held down and judged if I could cry to someone about getting hurt and not be treated like a weak man for doing so, and that I, PERSONALLY THINK, that women would feel less judged if they could have a bad moment and not be judged as some KIND of women and not just a human being having a rough day.
THAT, is all I, a self-identifying 'Misogynist' desire. For women to not be judged and for men to not be judged. For being women or men. For being born a certain way. For society to relinquish these honestly insane preconceived ideas about each other, so we can all be equal, so that when a guy abuses a girl, he has to answer to that, AND vice versa, no leeway for sexual identity, everyone is held equally to the same standards.
And no one is suppressed from justice.
As a final statement regards my joke, may it be known in my mind I always view someone coming on to me in a gentle, albeit direct manner at the worst. If Mr. Spacey were to just grab my butt, I PERSONALLY, wouldn't be too offended, I'd be embarrassed as f*** but hey, thanks for the compliment.
If he were abusive though, grabbed my butt and more just right there threw himself on me, I'd be a bit disgusted, but what would make it abusive to me is if he did all of that, then was forceful if I tried to stop him.
That doesn't mean I think its okay for him or anyone to nonchalantly grope a person, or throw themselves on a person, ALL IT MEANS, is that I personally would welcome an advance and would find a hard time feeling assaulted by such, but as I just said, even I have a boundary, it is admittedly broader than others. That boundary on anyone needs to be respected. I don't consider flirting an offense. Unless he was inappropriate in persistence or outright objectifying those men, I think we need to be careful what's identified as assault, as a few flattering words shouldn't be rebranded as assault. I think saying someone has a nice butt, even right to them isn't assault, its awfully honest, but unless there's persistence like all they want to talk about is your butt, then I'd be wary to claim assault. With persistence, I'd threaten to label such things as unwanted advances, beginning to cross a boundary, and to cease.
But that joke also makes me realize that such things as offensive humor allow us to enter into a discussion of the nuances of what is and isn't okay.
I have no idea what Kevin Spacey has actually done, so I'm ignorant of the severity of that case, I really like the actor so I'm biased to think he was being flirtatious, but for all I know, he really has made life hard for some of his coworkers and if that's so, there are consequences for such sexual behavior.
Overall I hope this post portrays me in a slightly more understandable light. Or maybe I just made myself look worse.
Either way in the afterlife we'll all laugh at this series of moments at how much we're all sucked into this illusion of differences when we're all the same...