Confederation and meat consumption

[anagogy]

Death isn't horrible in itself. Unnecessary death is not compassionate regarding those killed. Death by (unnecessary) horrific means is horrible. Suffering is the real issue—unnecessary suffering—in both life and death.

For life to be, death is necessary. Life feeds on life.

Steps can be taken to make suffering less. These are improvements that can be made to agricultural industry, without the misconceived rule that no being shall ever partake of animal protein. If vegetables experience pain (and there is some evidence to suggest they do), they probably suffer far more than animals because they don't die for a long time after you cut them up, they die very very slowly. But then we don't know what any other being experiences either. We look at animals, and imagine ourselves in their shoes and from our relative frame of reference decide they feel the same as we would in their shoes. But that is wrong, from my perspective.

I disagree. The heart of the matter is compassion for animals. It is actually incidental who still participates in perpetuating the suffering meat/dairy/egg animals are subjected to.

Ra mentioned coming across a starving person, and the correct response being to feed that person. It's not about who was responsible for the person's circumstances; it's simply about alleviating suffering.  

Right, and they didn't say "stop eating animals, its bad mmkay!". So why can they say, "feed starving people", but not say "stop eating animals"? Oh that's right, you have to rationalize it and assume its because Carla loved eating meat too much, so they couldn't upset her free will like that. I don't buy it, but you're entitled to your belief.

Again, we look at animals and imagine that they feel about their circumstances the same way you would feel in their shoes, but that is incorrect, because they haven't had the experiences you've had. If they had, they wouldn't be 2nd density. They would be 3rd density, having 3rd density experiences. Their frame of reference is completely different. We look at them and imagine little humans, but they are different beings.

You can get a sense of this if we think back on our youth and most of us found conditions "livable" back then that we would not today. It is that way for 2nd density, times a thousand.

If you plucked a 2nd density being out of its early 2D cycle, and plopped it into a 3rd density human body, guess what? They would be your sociopaths, your murderers, your thieves, and god knows what else. It isn't because they are evil, its simply because they are 2nd density. It is nature. They are different than us in many ways. Similar in a lot of ways too, but not the same. We imagine little people out there. It is misconceived.