Confederation and meat consumption

[Jade]

Third density wasn't meant to be hard? We have a different understanding of the Ra material then... I thought it was about sacrifice.

I'm pretty sure it described 3D in its foundation as monotone and extremely lengthy, but without misery and that this became seen as not offering a quality experience to the Creator and to offer something more vivid and of quality the thought of using the veiling process was used and is currently being expanded through experiments such as this one.

It'd be of interest to note your quote about the crux ansata does not speak of this density and instead is more along the lines of I think what Infinite Unity spoke of in his latest thread regarding the Original Thought. I think this concept of sacrifice is the principle of movement of spirit (steps of light) and is present in all densities as even the Octave itself is an expression of this principle.

I'm all with anagogy on this, 3D is nothing about misery unless misery is used as a tool to vivify the 3D experience and bonify it. In veilless 3D, I think those of Ra stated that you'd naturally be able to turn your sense of physical pain off in need to and emotional pain springs from confusion, so 3D of itself in its nature is not much centered upon misery. But your quote does speak of why misery is sought as an experience and signifies it.

According to Ra, Wanderers (who many here purport to be, those who are afraid of vibrating off of this planet!) choose to incarnate in lower densities to experience the catalyst that is offered from being veiled. This inherently means confusion. While confusion does not have to equal misery, I am not the one who was claiming that it did - anagogy implied that it would make him miserable if he had to stop "enjoying the fruits of the Creator". I do not feel miserable because of sacrifices I have made, in fact quite the opposite, and I think this is where we get into some really good paradox.

The thing is, per the Catalyst of the Body, there are things that are objectively undesirable. You cannot argue that misery doesn't exist when so much of this planet exists in misery. If you stub your toe, for even a brief moment, you understand that misery. If you cannot achieve "sympathetic vibrations" with those who you wish to heal, you will not be able to truly heal them, so to heal misery we must understand it.

In the quote Ra references the archetypical mind of the Logos so I am presuming they are talking about third density experience, as the quote is from 93.24 and at that point in the sessions the only things discussed were the archetypical mind (within veiled third density) and how to care for Carla/the group. Also, there are multiple cards that contain the image of the crux, and multiple figures with crossed limbs which Ra implies also means sacrifice.